GamersOfTheWorld

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While I don't want to be intentionally rude... did you read it?

and "canon" is decided by how cool something is or how many views it gets on youtube, not how well it fits in with everything else.

This is something I explicitly condemn SCP of doing multiple times throughout this essay.

By having stricter rules, SCP can ensure that their worldbuilding follows the rules they want set out for it

Except they have very loose rules on what is and what is and isn't allowed. In fact, they barely have any rules on the wiki besides pretty obvious ones like "don't create SCPs who are the strongest guy in everyway with a million hit points and infinity damage" like you put it.

In fact, most of this essay is a critique of the SCP mythology's lack of strict rules and consideration for worldbuilding. Nonetheless, thank you for commenting and giving me something to talk about.

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 24 points 1 hour ago

Extremely reductive. You are constantly presented with proof of something happening due to a specific rationale, and you decide to deny that rationale even exists in the first place. The rich do give a shit if you're white, black, or trans, because rich people are not omnisciently minded perfectly logical entities, they are biased as fuck in many cases. It also does not help that capitalists have learned that one of the best ways to offset contradictions into the future is by misattributing the capitalist causes of many oppressive and awful systems onto minorities. Almost like something you might do if given the chance. thonk

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 34 points 2 hours ago

Minor consequences for my actions = immediate cardiac arrest.

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 4 points 2 hours ago

cw: joke involving meatYou can afford to eat toast covered in a bit of avocado.

Capitalists can afford to eat gold-plated sirloin steaks imported from halfway across the world, hand cooked by some of the most professional chefs ever, and served by personal butlers.

Chuds: same-picture

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This is my prefered solution. Even though it isn't perfect, the idea of having an overarching, immutable "higher" lore that all the "lower" lore must adhere to definitely aids in the production of any sort of fiction. It doesn't even have to be super strict, but SCP only possesses pseudo-canon, while Warhammer appears to have a canon, only that it is very flexible. The presence of something small is usually always better than the presence of nothing, I guess. Idk, I'm rambling and I'm tired, but good post!

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 28 points 2 hours ago

You have to write a 50 paragraph NSFL rant that uses slurs for trans people not used since the 1400's. Only then will somebody maybe think of how wrong it is, but only occasionally.

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

But the idea of the pseudo-canon is that there is a canon pretending to be non-canon. I'm not trying to belabor the point, but my argument is that while the SCP wiki has a "no canon" and "curate your own content" policy, it's not necessarily true.

In a true non-canonical mythology, new stories would be given similar weight to old ones, yet as we see, certain concepts are firmly established. What is the SCP mythology without SCP-173? What is the SCP mythology without D-Class personnel? What is the SCP mythology without the O5 council? The answer is that, due to the pseudo-canon, that it's not. Like I discussed in the original post, at best, your SCP story without the existence of an O5 council is treated as a what if scenario rather than it's own independent story.

And if we want to talk about the SCP wiki, than the effect is pretty mild, as stories can be created contradicting old ones, merely it's just that they're usually treated as alternatives rather than originals. This effect is exacerbated to a large degree once we exist the realm of the SCP wiki however. We see baselines and assumptions being established, and thus, a canon, constantly. If a new SCP game came out, and included, for instance, an SCP that I quite enjoyed reading, SCP-8887, it would most likely not be called an SCP game at all.

This is because the definition of SCP is reduced to it's most popular creations and results, thus, the pseudo-canon. Good post tho.

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 2 points 3 hours ago

While I agree with the idea of siloization, it's not really what's happening in the SCP sphere. The idea of pseudo-canon is the idea of canonicity disguised as non-canonicity. Like I said in response to KnilAdlez's comment, I was too dissmissive of the idea of there being wiggleroom.

But when we look at both, we see two different scenarios. Dragon Ball can effectly siloize because the general idea of Dragon Ball is pretty distinct from it's implementations. Meanwhile, the idea of SCP and it's working parts are pretty integral to it's implementations. Either way, good post!

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 7 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, I guess I was a little bit dismissive of there being wiggleroom between canon and non-canon. Sorry.

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 4 points 3 hours ago

I didn't even realize I was unknowingly regurgitating radical feminist theories lol.

[–] GamersOfTheWorld@hexbear.net 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

But the idea of the pseudo-canon is that there is a canon under the cloak of not being one.

It's not simply that some canons are less popular, it's more so that canons have a totalizing effect where by gaining enough popularity, other canons slowly fade into irrelevance. Like, for instance, my example of D-Class. If I were to write a story where D-Class personal are a completely different thing from the common interpretation, would my story be received as it's own unique thing or an alternate take on what is, by consensus, the truth?

This writing prompt, as you call it, becomes less vague over time as people introduce their ideas, and those ideas become commonplace. Let's take your vampire example as well. If you were to write a vampire as consuming mud rather than blood, would your story be received as it's own unique thing or an alternate take on what is, by consensus, the truth?

 

I know this isn't really related to leftism or anything, but I thought you wonderful people on the hexadic angular bruin website like it when people talk about special interests. I'll spoiler everything to make it digestible.

My bias for canonYes, I know diegetic existentialism is a plague, and I shouldn't like works over internal consistency / ideas over a more meta literary analysis, but I still do, as it's quite enjoyable to talk about diegesis and play around with it. This is just a declaration of bias for a consistent and full canon over a non-canon.

What is the pseudo-canon, and why SCP is the primary exampleA few day ago from writing this post, I made this comment on the previous megathread: https://hexbear.net/comment/6457308

It is my first talk of this on the website. My analysis is a little lackluster, and I wasn't very in depth. So, I'll try to talk about it a bit more, explaining the pseudo-canon as we go along.

The SCP wiki in particular maintains a policy of "no defining canon" meaning that nothing is offically canonical. However, this is de jure. If we look at the de facto side of things, there are very clearly established things as "fact."

Even though people are told to "curate their canons," to make their own universes by selectively interpreting the works provided to them, they more often than not go towards a very specific type of canon - the popular one. While this isn't necessarily wrong, it's an argument against the idea of the SCP mythology not holding a canon.

Let's talk about a key element: D-Class personnel. While, technically, they are not supposed to be defined, but instead interpreted by you, there is undoubtedly a common perception that defines what a D-Class personnel is.

The common and correct take via consensus is that they are prisoners, or in some cases, kidnapped individuals, who are forced to engage in tests deemed to hazardous for regular personnel.

If I were to say, for instance, D-Class personnel are actually volunteers who are given million dollar salary's and given the highest honors for their work dealing with anomalies, I would both be correct and wrong at the same time.

Correct in the sense that the "official" or at-least commonly touted rhetoric that there is no canon, but incorrect in the idea that 90% of the fan-base holds true and canonical the D-Class as prisoner idea.

This is the pseudo-canon. You are not officially or technically wrong, but nobody will consider your take on the subject as the preferable take to the popular one. In the best case scenario, a story containing the D-Class as volunteer idea will be a "fun experimentation" or "what if scenario" but rarely will it be considered apart of someone's canon.

The pseudo-canon is canonicity disguised as non-canonicity. If we move away from the wiki, we see this effect amplified by 100. Ask any casual SCP enjoyer (played a few games, read an article or two, watched some YouTube videos on it) and they will tell you the most mainstream and popular narrative as if it was fact.

And, indeed, if we look at those games or YouTube videos, by nature of HAVING to accept a specific idea of what the SCP mythos is in order to actually make their content, they create a canon. And most of the time, it is the most popular one.

The process of the pseudo-canonThe process of the pseudo-canon is a simple one.

We start out with canonical anarchy. A specific concept is undefined, vague, or whatever. Let's take who keeps the documents secret.

This was vague for the longest time, until a prolific author by the name of Dr. Clef invents the idea of RAISA (Recordkeeping and Information Security Agency) during a rewrite of the SCP-076 article. This is the second stage, where a concept is put out there. At this time, many concepts can be put out.

The third stage is standardization. People pick a concept, and slowly forget other concepts. Let's say somebody tried to publish an SCP article that said "The foundation's primary informational security thing is the Database Systems Enforcement Administration (DSEA)" or something like that.

In a world where the pseudo-canon was perfect at allowing people to entertain all concepts presented by all authors, both RAISA and DSEA would receive stories and tales, with neither of them taking precedent over the other.

However, it's pretty obvious that DSEA would get swept under the rug and RAISA would remain the thing that every author used whenever they want to write about redactions or whatever. By this point, standardization is complete. There can be other concepts, but people have already accepted one thing as canon, and nothing else is allowed to even come close to it.

Tl;dr: Canon anarchy, people don't really care or just make up whatever the want. Then suggestion, as people try to put out their ideas. Then it's standardization, as a singular idea is chosen as preferable to all others, and nothing is allowed to achieve or even come close to the same level of acceptance or "correctness" as the selected idea.

The flaws of pseudo-canonThe SCP wiki is a wiki about SCP. Not about mythology in general, not about spoopy scary things in general, but specifically about the SCP foundation. Sure, there is a canon in the SCP wiki which is about a what if scenario where the SCP foundation does not exist, but once again, refer to the idea of pseudo-canon, and how nobody is internalizing this idea or treating it as equal to the idea of the SCP foundation existing.

The SCP foundation as a concept is scarcely defined at moments, and most of it's definitions come not from discussion and consensus, but from proposition and consensus. Rather than sitting down and asking what the SCP foundation is, people just throw shit at the wall, and whatever sticks is canon to 90% of everyone.

"There is no canon" but anything that's popular enough is canon to the majority of individuals. The definition of what the SCP foundation is shifts every day, with more and more people flinging more and more shit at the wall.

This is a bad way to organize anything. Nobody wants to (or logistically can) agree on what the SCP foundation is, because it's an open project with millions of fans and thousands of writers. Once again, this is the SCP wiki, not the spoopy creatures wiki.

This wiki is centered around the SCP foundation yet can't be bothered to give a solid and unyielding baseline for what it is. The only thing that's constant is that people make shit up and if enough people like it, it's canon.

When you read an SCP article, you may find it enjoyable, and that's fair. But what you are not reading a cohesive and coherent diegesis. For every SCP article, you either have to rethink what the SCP foundation means (for stories that try to go against the pseudo-canon) or re-read the same old boring "SCP morally gray, save the world but also kinda mean" thing (for stories that conform with the pseudo-canon.)

I'm going to be honest, this is one of the least pressing contradictions there is. It's not actively harming anyone, and while some people might be mildly perturbed (like me), it's not going away anytime soon. But if we want to talk about solutions...

There is no middle ground between canon or non-canonThere are only two solutions to this contradiction.

The SCP wiki develops a vanguardist writing methodology where it removes a lot of freedom in exchange for narrative cohesion, losing it's "nothing is canon" and "curate your own content" messages.

or

The SCP wiki drops the SCP shit and becomes a generic scary monster wiki. It'll become a hub for everyone's ideas about anomalous entities, and it will be disorganized, chaotic, but it can also be fun.

Like I said, this is a non-pressing contradiction, and the SCP wiki can stay how it is for an extremely long time before any contradictions pop up. But, eventually, the contradictions will sharpen, and you can only blame the pseudo-canon at that point.

Anyway, this is long. You don't have to read it all or anything, but I hope you do, and I hope you enjoy it.

 

I know he's extremely controversial for being absolutely god at the AWP and near single-handedly winning the 1934-1935 Kuomintang matchup (lots of accusations of soft aimbot) but he's still pretty good at flicking. I also think he showcased his strategy when he did his famous camping strategy in Jinggangshan.

I also like this quote of his during the Hunan Tornament:

"A revolution is not a 32v32 casual match, or getting an easy headshot, or getting a multi-kill on some bronzes in Overwatch, or throwing a cheap smoke at A in CS:GO; it cannot be so refined, so leisurely and gentle, so temperate, kind, courteous, restrained and magnanimous. A revolution is competitive 4v4, an act of domination by which one team owns another."

 

For most of my life, I've played very open games. I've played a lot of Rimworld, and I enjoyed the hell out of that shit because you can do a lot of things with all the different systems they offer you. Mods make it a trillion times better in some cases. I don't play it much anymore because of reasons, but it still influenced my tastes.

That's all to say I like open, moddable, "We give you a bunch of systems and mechanics, go wild" games, but I want to hear your opinions. Do you prefer more traditional, narrow games, or do you prefer open sandbox-y type games?

 

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Howdy. skeleton-wave

I hope you don't mind me rambling a little bit, but for the tl;dr, I'm GamersOfTheWorld, I'm scared, I cope with humor, and I don't really do anything, but I want to. Hence the title of my post. I'll spoiler it to make it a little bit more digestible, tho.

GeneralI'm GamersOfTheWorld. My name is a weird funny joke I have. Basically, one day, I thought, "Wouldn't it be funny if, instead of the proletariat vs. the bourgeoisie, it was gamers against bad games?" The more and more I think about it, I kinda regret this name (even though I just picked it), but I think I'll just stick to it because I think you geometric og-hex-bear's like bad humor.

I go by he/him primarily, but if you want to, in a jokingly or comradely sense, refer to me by a set of other pronouns, I'm cool with that.

In terms of hobbies, I guess I can kinda enjoy anything, but I don't really enjoy anything. I hear of people having things called "fandoms" but I never super duper vibed with that experience in general. I was in the "SCP" / Spoopy Things and Secret Organizations fandom for a while, I kinda just abandoned it after perceived literary grievances, and I do want to do something with it, 'cause I like the concept and some of it's execution 'n what not, but I just never really wrote anything substantial.

In terms of video games, I like games that give you a lot of choice and are sandboxes / RPGs, and some of my most played games are Rimworld (colony survival sim that lets you put a bunch of people into a world and go wild), Arma III (don't play it anymore, but when I did play it, I just put a bunch of army people down and let them fight - yes I know it's an imperialism simulator and I'm sorry), and Garrys Mod (self-explanatory). I also dabble in a bit of modded Minecraft (pirated ofc, fuck Microsoft and Notch, even if he isn't around at Mojang anymore).

I'm also a fan of roleplay. Basically, I just like to pretend to be things that I'm not and place myself into cool stories. I did a lot of just textual / chat based stuff when I was younger, but I think I'll take this premature interest I had and try some actual TTRPG's like Pathfinder or whatever if I get the chance.

I also like music, and I like a lot of different kinds, so I can't really be specific, but I absolutely love the more "soft" stuff like dream pop. One of my most favorite music things is weirdly, the Minecraft soundtrack. It isn't supposed to be it's own thing in the sense of being original music, but I have listened to it SOOO many times. Nearly every song is a banger to my ears. (Aria Math is a GOAT)

In terms of identity, I am sad to say lmayo and cissues but I am proud to say creature.

FearFear is a funny word. I feel it literally every day, it paralyzes me, and it is AWFULLLL. So many of the shots I don't take can be attributed to fear. Why do I only mildly push back when my parents say some of the most racist things you can imagine? I'm too scared. Why can I only manage to let out a weak scoff when a video a friend watches says something absolutely out of line? Fear.

I want you to know that as I'm writing this post, as I'm mulling over it's details, that I really don't wanna post this. Like, really don't. I hope I'll build up enough strength to just slam that post button, but most likely, I'll find someway to post it that doesn't involve me just doing it (throwing my mouse in the air and hoping it clicks the post button for me).

I don't like fear, yet it controls me so much. I don't have too many insights, but suffice to say, I hate fear, and you should hate fear too. I'm hoping that by coming here and hanging out with y'all, I can become less fearful and less scared, knowing that whatever I say or do, I still have comrades to fall back on. Idk, whatever it may be, it's one of my goals to become less scared and be more proactive in not only combating liberalism mao-shining but also, if I ever get the chance, to protect and or help comrades heart-sickle.

HumorEveryone likes a funny. Do you like a funny? I'll try to do some funnies. But also, the funnies can be bad. Racist jokes? Cringe, nuke 'em from orbit. Transphobic jokes? Cringe, nuke 'em from orbit. Ableist jokes? Cringe, nuke 'em from orbit.

Humor isn't, and shouldn't really, be just something you say. It's a casual thing, and because of that, people don't really think. Maybe it has some validity, but the idea that because something is a casual affair means you can turn on your brains auto-pilot is a little bit silly.

There's also the division between funnies and seriousness. I know leftism isn't a vehicle for memes, and that I shouldn't pollute genuine discussions or discourse with "BEANIS!!! I SAID THE FUNNY WORD!!!! BEANIS!!!"

My name is a funny, but that really shouldn't define my existence or be used to the detriment of something good or god forbid someone else's enjoyment or well-being. Funnies can be cool, and I like to believe that if utilized, can increase moral.

I'll do some funnies, but I'll try to restrain myself, is what I'm trying to say.

Action (cw: some self deprecation, mention of carnism, minor internalized ableism?)Do I organize? No. Do I read theory? No. Why?... WHY?!!! thurston

In all seriousness, inaction ("laziness") and impulsivity combined with untreated, undiagnosed ADHD and near constant Autistic burnout is a living nightmare that I do not wish upon anyone. These are my vices, and I don't like 'em.

The best way to solve a problem is to solve it, and so many people fail at that first step by not even acknowledging that the problem is a problem. I've already lunged myself over that first barrier to find an even larger barrier - actually getting shit done.

I sit in my room all day, drink soda, eat carnist fast food, and watch YouTube and play video games all day. Absolutely awful and wretched, if you can excuse the self-deprecation. My hygiene and health are bad, and all the problems that come with that just turn me into a wreck.

I wanna get better about this, and I hope that by joining the world's must liberal Citations Needed fan forum, I can get better about this. I might participate in the Self Improvement mega or something like that, IDK.

Also reading is a fuck and I know it's good for me but AGHHHSDAMDFSLS meow-cactus (in all seriousness, my eyes just glaze over huge bodies of text and while I can somehow read chains of forum posts, I can't push myself to read books that are over like 2-3 pages)

I might not post a whole lot at first, because I'm nervous (I'm nervous right now about posting this, show me mercy!!!) but hopefully I'll get a lot more comfy once I acclimatize myself to Hexbear.

If I don't answer your questions right away, I'm probably being busy too afraid to check the comments. Please convince me I'm being irrational with my fear.

Anyway, I'm not the perfect comrade, but there's only one thing I want to do: and that's do right by all you magnificent people!

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