“The only way to not be exterminated is to exterminate”… chilling
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"if we want to survive as a people, we must exterminate them, or else they will exterminate us"
a common excuse for genocide, as well as Literally Nazi Propaganda
Literally what the Nazis said, btw
Turns out fascism is the same no matter who’s perpetrating. :/
This is essentially the Zionist stance.
It started with a view that 'in order for Jews to escape persecution, an ethnostate for the Jewish faith must be established'. During this time it was still in contention within the movement on where Zion should be established, but it's also noteable that independant zionist groups were buying land in Palestine for establishing Zion at the same time. This was during the time that Palestinians (and Arabs within the Ottoman empire in general) were helping the British with destabilizing the Ottoman empire under the agreement that these resistance groups would be given their land back from the Ottomans.
Then the Balfour Declaration occurred in 1917 which promised British support in making Palestine a safehaven for Jews, and shortly after the promise of giving Palestinians their land was reevaluated.
As tensions and conflict arose between the well-funded Zionist collective growing in Palestine and the Palestinian forces who wanted the Zionist project out of Palestine, a new tone ended up showing up in Zionist literature. A noteable essay, 'The Iron Wall' by Ze'ev Jabotinsky communicates that shift fairly well.
Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach.
Essentially Ze'ev concludes in his essay that the Zionist project will fail unless it takes on a fully colonialist design. This was also just after Winston Churchill prohibited Zionists from settling on the East side of the Jordan River in 1923.
These are mostly snippets of the whole history, but it is essentially the trajectory we've followed since, from what I've read.
Cycle of abuse mentality.
Black and white thinking hurts everybody, always.
Wait a minute...
Everybody, always. There's no other options, I swear!
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Obi Wan is a sith confirmed
sometimes a sith deals in generalities
I'm glad we're all agreed that putting religious symbols on war machines is some weirdo theofash shit, Europe.
will always hold my hot take that Christianity’s greatest marketing-optics failure was that one time Constantine put the cross symbol on his shield
idk if he was the first one to hit that vibe but the trend it set off is one of humanity’s greatest blights
I maintain it was John the Baptist, who was an Apocalyptic Jew, convincing The Christ that the Apocalypse was definitely going to happen within the next century or two. Despite the fact that Apocalyptic Jews has been expecting the end of the world for almost 3000 years at that point.
To be fair to John the Baptist, Second Temple Judaism did end soon after, so maybe that might be worth some bonus points.
Constantine put the cross symbol on his shield
AfaIk, it wasn't the cross, but the PX symbol.
What a sweeter world that could have been…
We used to have swastikas on tanks. Now everyone hates swastikas. If they keep putting the star of David on tanks, people are gonna hate that one too
Oppressed often fantasizes with becoming the oppressor. Growing out of that desire is true humanity.
'Would you rather be a face being stomped by a boot or a boot stomping in a face'
I'd rather be neither though
defensive ethnic cleansing
people often forget that “self defense” narratives like this was hitler’s excuse for institutionalizing antisemitism. he literally fed the flames of the racist narrative that jewish people were to blame for germany’s economic woes in order to get support.
like this isn’t godwins law this is literally what hitler did
Muslims didn't do the holocaust. That was Romans. Romans have been persecuting Jews for so long it's the plot of the Bible.
pisses me off so bad when people are like “the jews and the muslims have been fighting for centuries 🥺” bitch NO ur thinking of the “christian” europeans
israel probably has concentration camp uniforms ready to go too so...
bs false dichotomy, as IDF are wearing that sign in the concentration camps they made to kill Palestinians.
"True safety lies in the extermination of others."
To put the quotes into perspective: They are from Imre Kertész, a writer who lived through ww II. Some of his most famous works are detailing his experiences from the holocaust. Of course he'd say he is happier seeing the star of david on a tank than on his concentration camp uniform. That doesn't mean he'd agree with what Israel is doing currently.
I don't feel it fair to say things like "genocide or be genocided is a really bad mindset" after reading this quote, as this is clearly not about that. Its about having the means to protect yourself. I'm fairly certain there isnt any "lets genocide everyone else" behind it....
"Are those the only 2 options? Pretty bleak worldview.." Well what do you think, why wuld someone who survived a genocide think that having the means to protect themselves would be better than being genocided?
Better than seeing it on the guard of the camp.
I mean... weapons can be built for self-defense. Obviously, genocide is what's happening here, not self-defense. But it's not like there couldn't be some alternate universe where ✡ on a tank is not inherently bad.
Kind of an odd post.
Even then, I think religious symbols being national symbols and therefore on national flags and tanks is inherently bad.
I think we can trust everyone involved to know exactly what the question meant and what the reply means.
If he would think in your categories he could have answered something like "I would be happy if it wouldn't be needed." Or reply back with "In which context?" or something.
He immediately jumped to making it "its either tanks or holocaust for us."
I think, in western media at least, that the tank is rarely used as an image of defence. A tank’s artillery is not personal or protective, it obliterates its targets from a distance. Its treads allow it to travel in terrain that has been decimated by war. The image of a tank ominously rolling over rubble and bodies in a war zone is contractually obliged to be in every war movie.
The heavy armour on a tank is perhaps its only ‘defensive’ trait, but it only exists to let the men inside blow things up for as long as possible.
It’s an all terrain cannon, and a country owning a fleet of them requires their neighbours to also invest in a fleet of them, just in case. This then causes their neighbours to invest in more tanks just to be extra ‘safe’