Perhaps we could save twice that if we got universal healthcare. Investing in infrastructure to move away from car culture would do even better. Where is the active Futurist lemmy group?
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Pickup trucks - aka cars without visibility of their surroundings
But they need their guns in case a fascist government takes over and becomes a police state threatening to take away their rights and liberties.
Waitaminute...
They who have guns want the police state.
It's all the lefties who haven't listened to Marx who don't have guns.
Unfortunately, Democrats (see: CA, WA) have been straight up banning guns instead of focusing on safe ownership.
Regardless of your political affiliation, you should be very concerned about the federal government using official state militias (Nat Guard) against the states and questioning straight gun bans.
The federal government should step in for state overreach, and the state government should step in for federal overreach. If the federal government is co-opting the state militia (and while some states have non-National Guard militias, some don’t), what’s the purpose of the second amendment?
There should be extra concern by now that Trump wants to "recruit external people to assist law enforcement" ...
Effectually he's raising his own separate militia so he can put them in action anywhere he wants and not be limited by the law where the Military/National Guard can not be used on American soil.
Don't wanna be a conspiracy theorist, wouldn't it be a genious idea to split the oligarchy party into seemingly two distinct parties, with one side arming racist hillbillies and using propaganda to control them, the other disarming minorities and anyone left-of-center. Gun control is propaganda.
"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary"
-Karl Marx
I used to oppose private weapon ownership over the time i have come to see that it is indeed an important tool to defend against totalitarian takeovers.
It is by no means a sufficient tool by itself, and people can manage to overcome a totalitarian government without in some historical examples, but often this meant a lot of bloodshed and ultimately gaining weapons through overrunning police/military sites or defecting army units.
What’s safe ownership and how can Democrats advance it legislatively?
- Fuck the Democrats, they don't do what's good for the country. Why the Hell isn't Trump being impeached again and again and again?
- Safe ownership should not be a partisan issue.
I got downvoted elsewhere for suggestions.
Essentially, don't outright ban guns but make it really hard to own one.
Option 1) Restrict 5.56 and other non-common hunting rounds: 1a) If you want to shoot recreationally? The ammo must be bought and used at the range. Any unused ammo must be returned to the range. Up to the range whether or not to keep a "cache" for members so that they're not wasting too many rounds 1b) The individual state distributes those rounds and keeps records.
Option 2) Random safety checks 2a) The state enforcement may show up at your house at any time. You are required to rreport to the state when you will be gone for extended periods of time. If you didn't previously file out of the country, you are allowed a small amount of missed calls. The state shall verify that your ammo is stored separately from your firearms and are properly locked. If not, any firearm not safely stored is confisticated. 2b) Every serial number must have a name associated and in a database with your name and address. You must report when the guns move and they must be with you at your primary residence except when you are on vacation. This is also subject to random checks. If you are found to violate this, any firearms not following this will be removed. Yes, I am outlawing storage lockers.
I fail to see how you think those draconian home inspections are going to be more politically tractable than banning assault rifles. I appreciate you taking the time to explain your (clearly passionately held) ideas, but I don’t think we’re looking at this issue at all similarly.
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Liberals using a mental health crisis and late stage capitalism to be like:
Are there stats for kids killed by these monstrous pick ups? Dodge Ram, hummers etc
I don't know about lifted pickups in general, but the NHTSA recorded that there were 39,345 traffic fatalities in the US in 2024. So OP's chart is missing a few lines.
- Traffic Deaths: 39,345 (in 2024)
- Killed By Police: 1,365 (recorded in 2024)
- Medical Malpractice Deaths: 250,000 (estimated annual)
- Preventable Deaths due to Illness: 44,000 (lowerbound annual estimate)
- Malnutrition Deaths: 6,762 (in 2022)
So, yeah. Our politicians, capitalist overlords, and a fucked up for-profit medical system are killing us all either by inches or just outright, at the rate of a combined hundreds of thousands per year. But ermahgerd, gunz!!!
Hey @miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com, you forgot to include:
- Fatal automobile accidents
- Bullying
- Child abuse
- Food poisoning
- Diseases
- Cops
- Stress
- Work-place accidents
- Indoctrination
- Knives
- Ropes
- Parks
- Toilets
- Sinks
- Lockers
- Bleach
- Floor Degreaser
- Printers
- Flags
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Accidental drowning is one of the main causes of death for children.
- More children ages 1-4 die from drowning than any other cause of death.
- Drowning is the second leading cause of unintentional injury death for children ages 5-14.
- Every year in the United States there are over 4,000 unintentional drowning deaths. (An average of 4,345 unintentional drowning deaths occurred each year from 2018–2021)
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- chatgpt (seriously why)
- dolphin rape
- being a billionaire with a submarine
- being a ceo
- falls
- falling boulders (I know of at least one that happened.)
- tripping over your oxygen cable.
Nah, I'd rather not be toothless when fascists knock on my door to take my family to a camp because I protest and help LGBTQ people with gun safety and survival training.
I don't understand how you people think asking politely to MAGA or racists or fascists for your right to exist is the to go about this. This is how we are here in the first place; they don't respect you and prefer you to be incapable of fighting back
I've gotten to this point too. One thing that frustrates me to no end is the liberal commentators I hear "pointing" to things. Admitting that fascist policies are taking over. Admitting we don't have any rights anymore.
But none of them have the balls to actually say what the only means of resistance is now.
Hell, they don't have to even say it directly. But they should be screaming about what DOESN'T work.
The time for non violent protests and voting are at an end in terms of their effectiveness. The purpose of non violent protests and supporting left wing candidates now is not hoping those will "bring us back". We are not going back peacefully. The purpose of them is to bring about organization and class conciseness.
Maybe it's what "libs" need to hear to try to get them out doing something. Maybe they aren't ready for reality. But I just don't think we can afford people thinking that the system that existed before can be restored. And it shouldn't be restored. It's the system that got us here.
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But..but ... but they need those guns just in case a weirdo tries to take over the government.
Or if a pants shitting reality TV 'star' goes full revenge mode when he becomes president.
Or if a child rapist, who is also a Russian asset, but who's also the best friend to a proven and convicted human trafficking paedo blackmailer strolls in and overtakes the Whitehouse and takes his KKK mask off and hops in to being a full on fascist dictator!
If any of the above ever happened you'll be glad that the Gravy Seals™ had all those guns to stop it all.
Not that the above could ever happen. Imagine that, imagine if one of those things ever happened? Wow, Impossible!! Just impossible.
...hey, wait a minute!!!!
6400 kids (10-24) successfully kill themselves every year in the US, and 2 MILLION attempt to
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If only gun safety legistlation wasn't invariably gun ban legislation. No thanks Democrats, I'm trying to actually survive fascism, not do everything in my power to be completely defenseless against it.
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Your telling me the country with more guns has more gun deaths, wow impossible to predict.
This is statistically meaningless, you want to look at the violent crime rate overall, the murder rate overall, etc.
Like I can guarantee Minnesota has more freezing deaths than Texas. That doesn't say anything about if freezing deaths are a major issue or not. We need a statistical analysis of total murder rate not raw numbers
You're saying the US doesn't have a higher homicide rate than other high-income countries?
No, I'm saying it does and that's the stat that matters
And there's probably a reason for that. Hmm, I wonder what it could be?
I'm not disagreeing lol, guns absolutely play a part
What's killing our children?
A slave economy that stresses everyone and drives them to hopelessness. A carefully engineered school to prison pipeline. A broken culture that encourages anyone with the slightest bit of authority to mercilessly persecute those below them while ignoring any crimes committed by those above.
We have had guns for hundreds of years, guns aren't the problem ... hopelessness and aiming them at the wrong people is.
I suspect a conservative might believe that the "gay lifestyle" kills people through AIDS, and probably believe trans people are groomed and their suicides are a result of that, so they might view LGBTQ+ rights as leading to deaths, if I had to guess
Yeah. And they probably view guns as a way of protecting children, too.
I see a lot of posts that just completely don't understand the conservative mindset at all, and imagine that explaining things to them like one would explain things to a leftist is going to work. There's just too much inferential distance for memes like this. Sigh :/
you get it exactly, this kind of meme, if anything, works against our political goals, by re-affirming conservatives in their mindset and alienating them by failing to provide a rhetorical "bridge" that allows them to see things differently
like you say, expecting them to respond as though they already agree with you (and as if you can just shame them into agreement) is entirely the wrong approach
Bad timing for this meme. I do not trust the cops, esepcially not now. Correct course of action is to disband the police and create well-regulated militias (regulated by the people themselves, not the state). I see you're from dbzer0, you should know that cops aren't to be trusted.
Also: Dems really need to drop the gun issue if they hope to win an election, going "Beto O' Rourke" every election isn't helping.
Context: The moment where Democrats lost Texas Gubernatorial Election: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QR4mNrW0AlE
Correct course of action is to disband the police and create well-regulated militias (regulated by the people themselves, not the state).
The vast majority of people in smaller, more rural areas are 100% happy with what's going on.
What you're suggesting would mean that any time you'd drive through a new municipality/town/village, you'd have to learn a new set of rules and laws. You'd end up with "legal" lynchings in some smaller communities. It would be absolute chaos.
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