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[–] klangcola@reddthat.com 115 points 1 month ago (17 children)

Using a mascot from big tech to protest against invasive big tech is tad confusing..

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 59 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Louis Rossmann is not the smartest cookie in the jar, but he is a cookie, at least.

[–] schema@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I agree with most of his general sentiments, but I don't really like him. He always comes off as a tad arrogant to me.

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I like what he does and that he can rally people to a cause, but he consistently misses the mark.

In order to escape the corrupt bureaucracy of New York, he moved to... Texas.

I think he's a 'path of least resistance' kind of guy, not ideologically driven but rather "I don't wanna deal with it" driven. He has deemed that it is easier to move to Texas because the corruption there affects him less directly and more abstractly, and he chooses to front Right to Repair because it is easier to lobby and rally people than it is to work in his industry without his political influence.

He has a front row seat to the horrors of capitalism and, without missing a beat, says "I'm not a socialist, I'm a capitalist" because it's easier to be a shitlib than it is to believe in something bigger.

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[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I also thought Louis's choice of Clippy was a bit odd, but the fact that there is a symbol people can rally around at all is more important than the symbol itself in many ways.

[–] klangcola@reddthat.com 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fair enough, and clippy was indeed trying to be helpful, no matter how misguided xD

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I thought the whole "clippy just wanted to help" meme was sarcastic since clippy's nagging was just as intrusive as the current AI being forced into everything, but it seems it is not.

[–] kshade@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

clippy’s nagging was just as intrusive as the current AI being forced into everything

I thought the opposite was (part of) the point. Just right-click the assistant and tell it to go away, that's it. If all the AI garbage that's being integrated into Windows and many applications was that easy to get rid of I'd be considerably less annoyed by it. It was clumsy and misguided but not nearly as intrusive, also didn't require an account and an Internet connection.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

Fwiw, I still think it's sarcastic.

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[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 96 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I kinda miss the days when computers and the Internet were so slow that you would notice if something else than what you were running was happening. Data logger calling home on my 28k modem would have been noticed right away. Trying to screenshot my pc screen every time I type or click, no way I could miss that. Scanning my HDD would lock it down so much I would have been stupid not to notice.

[–] jam12705@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Move out to a rural area were our speeds are mind-numbingly slow and you can still experience the phenomenon you describe. Only problem is now a days there isn't much you can do about it if forced to use Windows.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

You used to be able to tell what every process was doing on your computer. Nowadays there are so many processes running and they all have tons of child processes that you can't tell what is doing what.

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[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 50 points 1 month ago (13 children)

I don't think they would've, they already had the market, and the attitude about privacy was very different back then

This also was before late-stage capital converted to endgame capitalism, back then they wanted to protect the cash cow. They cared about customer loyalty, because they cared about future revenue

Now? Companies are dismantling themselves for one more good quarter

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[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 33 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I remember struggling with the idea that all companies care more about the bottom line than anything else. People are good and care about good things. How can companies who are made of people always cause problems? There must be at least one good company out there, right?

It's only after I spent some time in the world that I figured out that money really messes with things. It pressures companies to do whatever they can get away with. It separates the people who run the companies from the bad outcomes that company creates.

And at the end of the day everyone needs to make a choice. Live and participate in a system that causes problems, or die. I chose to live and I don't blame anyone else for choosing to live.

[–] declaredreprimand@piefed.social 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Companies, especially larger ones, abstract away human responsibility and ethics from the decision-making process, making it easier for people to do bad things.

“We do this for the company!”

Plus, an individual’s ability to live being tied to the continued success of said company doesn’t help things either.

“If I speak out, I’m not a ‘team player’. And those people get fired.”

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[–] baronofclubs@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At least in the US, companies have a legal fiduciary duty to protect their investors interests above all else.

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[–] Visstix@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Microsoft sees Clippy everywhere: Oh they must really like him, let's make him our new AI mascot!

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I guess not many people remember that Microsoft was convicted of antitrust violations against Netscape (which effectively destroyed that command).

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Microsoft nowadays is one of the evil companies. Microsoft back in the day was the evil company.

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[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Random trivia: The clippy movement is not saying that Microsoft was noble. It’s saying we need to go back to the 90s version is the internet.

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

new meta: putting "random trivia:" before your contrarian comments

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The entire clippy thing baffles me.

Let's use the mascot of Microsoft, a tech giant who invades every inch that they can, to say we don't like tech giants!

I don't think any company that uses AI or scrapes data gives two shits what your avatar is. It's the equivalent of changing your twitter profile to show support for the victims of something, and then carrying on as usual.

Microsoft would kill for Clippy to be remembered as a friend. Because that just sanewashes their history as a company when clippy was a thing. Yes, please ignore the anti-trust busting in Congress. Please ignore how we made computers worse for the end user by restricting what you can do on your purchased computer.

"Clippy was your friend. Clippy didn't want to steal your data. Clippy just wanted to help."

Help infantize the masses with "It looks like you're writing a document, do you want help with that? Yes, or maybe later?"

This entire clippy thing is just basically free whitewashing and advertising for Microsoft, one of the biggest players in the reasons why people use the avatar.

At least invent something new, if it's about protecting artists, instead of copying a jpg from a 90s corporate milquetoast mascot.

[–] dabster291@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't think any company that uses AI or scrapes data gives two shits what your avatar is.

Didn't Rossmann say the whole point of changing your profile to clippy was to show everyone participating how many people would be willing to actually fight for consumer rights?

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[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago

Random trivia: The clippy 3D animations were created by Deadpool director Tim Miller (of Blur Studio).

[–] Damage@feddit.it 12 points 1 month ago

I remember Microsoft in the late nineties.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stop trying to make clippy look bad! He is our symbol to fight against the enshitification now!

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 1 month ago (6 children)

That’s an odd stance bc at the time it was introduced clippy was almost universally reviled and seen as an example of microsoft taking something that was fine (office 95) and making it objectively worse (office 97 introduced product activation, the stupid paper clip assistant, an arguably dumb UI refresh, and the most hostile part: a new version of the proprietary doc format that wouldn’t render correctly in word 95, forcing people to upgrade)

enshittification wasn’t a concept back then but microsoft certainly lived up to it time and time again

If anything this comic doesn’t make sense because no shit, microsoft started selling your data the nanosecond it became viable to do so. They were always evil. Whereas google at one point literally had a motto of “don’t be evil” in their guidelines or whatever, which fooled a lot of people in the 90s. they famously had to remove because once data collection was becoming obvious it was kind of silly to keep that bit around I suppose

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It definitely is strange. But that doesn’t change that it has submerged as this symbol (just look up some new videos about clippy on YouTube). Many people probably do that because of counter-culture; clippy is liked because it had been hated for a long time and many (most?) people don’t know why.

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[–] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

Louis makes a lot of the points you're making in the video. He points to Clippy as an example of universal repulsion where we "didn't know how lucky we had it", versus the wolf dressed up in social media's clothing we have today.

I agree with a lot of what you said, but it's still worth watching the video. His overall aim is an honourable one and the choice of Clippy is pretty smart in light of the aims.

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[–] idriss@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I kinda got sucked into that Clippy thing for a while then took a moment to think about like everyone.

Kinda cringe, to adopt anything coming from microsoft for a pro ownership movement.

I agree 100% with the cause but we could go with any other resistance symbol that could mean actually something.

[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 weeks ago

Well, to be fair, it’s not utilizing Microsoft as a mascot, but the era of buying and owning and keeping, as opposed to the current era of renting forever.

Back then, you bought a computer and it came with the programs you needed and they were yours until you got rid of the computer. Then they were the property of whomever got the computer next.

That’s what people are calling for. Which is depressing in and of itself because it’s so little to ask for. They’re the hand that’s starving and robbing us. We shouldn’t be asking for them to stop robbing us, we should be taking the hand and using it to distribute to all who need.

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