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[–] WatDabney@lemmy.dbzer0.com 98 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It really doesn't matter if they succeed or not.

The Republicans are no longer even bothering to pretend to be at all interested in fair and free elections. They've signaled clearly that they will do anything to take and hold power, and honesty, integrity and democratic principles count for nothing at all. So if they don't succeed this time, they'll just cheat harder next time.

This isn't some shadowy conspiracy theory - they're doing it openly and publicly.

Fair and free elections in the US aren't under threat - they're already dead. And that's not hyperbole - it's the explicit, official position of the Republican party.

The only direction from here is down.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago

Yes, they already did it. That's why we have to outnumber the votes. They're cheating, for sure.

DeSantis’ congressional map helped the GOP keep the House. Will he do it again?

Source: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article311583472.html

What also is troubling is, they don't seem to care that they're losing some of their base. They're telling us they're going to cheat. If mail in voting becomes illegal, the fascists have 100% won.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Betteridge's law says no, but "this is the worst timeline" law says yes.

[–] Fermion@mander.xyz 4 points 1 month ago

Does betteridge's law apply to questions that haven't been answered yet?

[–] TheMinister@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago
[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

If you're in a red state; blue no matter who might be the vest course. If your in a blue state try and go to primary and vote progressive, do a progressive 3rd party if you have to. We know more about 3rd party voters than non voters.

Voting does matter and its only one part in building out our progressive movement.

[–] Tehbaz@lemmy.wtf 10 points 1 month ago

After the GOP used voter suppression, lawsuits & voting machine sabotage to successfully rig the 2024 election - there will never be another free & fair election in the United States ever again. Until Americans are willing to use their 2A privilege to stand up to this dictatorship it's only downhill from here.

[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 10 points 1 month ago

If they won 2024 in a landslide, why would they need to rig the 2026 elections? 🤔

[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Yuppers. We are heading down the path that only ends one way. Something something boiling a frog....

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

OF course, they rigged the 2024 election process with a fucking minor update. I wish the NSA would reveal what they know.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Yes, because when fascists are in control, they do not allow fair elections.

2026 and 2028 will be fraudulent elections. And I'm willing to bet evidence will easily prove so. The question is, will Americans have the balls to do what's necessary after we find out?

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago

They only succeed because Democrats allow them. We allow them.

There are elections going on right now. If you are a democracy loving citizen, volunteer as a poll officer. We need them now more than ever.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 4 points 1 month ago

of course they fucking will.

[–] QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Given that Kamela conceded in 2024 despite Trump openly admitting to Elon "being good with computers".... yeah they will

[–] EightBitBlood@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Oh you mean how she conceded to a guy that:

  1. Fucked with the 2016 election.
  2. Attempted a coup after losing the 2020 election through defrauding the electoral college.

But yeah definitley didn't cheat for the 2024 election.

Him NOT cheating in 2024 would be a first. But let's ignore that for the sake of naive respect that will immediate be lost when Trump collapses the system.

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Basically every Democrat lawmaker is entirely spineless so they'll probably get away with whatever they want.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Yes.

There is no consequence to their bullshit.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (12 children)
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (32 children)

Apologies if I'm not a regular reader of Jörmungandr, but I need this from a more reputable source. I want to take in whats being said, but recognize the importance of trust and how that applies to a modern information landscape driven by fraud, conspiracy and AI.

If this is real, its going to need to break through in a more traditional manner.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah, it does the usual loop where snopes says it's fake and then random other shitty sources say it's fake.

There are a few problems now with sourcing:

  • Mainstream media won't look into these kind of things except for maybe Propublica
  • Snopes can't be trusted. I've seen them say "partially true" when their descriptions say 100% true multiple times. They seem to have a right wing bend.
  • These random sites that have different names, but all look the same, all say similar things as snopes.

All that being said, none of this can be proven, so I wouldn't trust it either. Also, it tells me that we need to protect Wikipedia.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

maybe Propublica

Maybe 404 Media.

But yeah, it really doesn't matter. Follow it through to its conclusion. Say we have the evidence and can prove the election was stolen. What of it? Trump will just apologize and step down? Will it undo all the damage done so far? And say you do follow the thread and the evidence doesn't stack up? Then what are you left with?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're right 404 media should be on that list too. They're very good.

Trump will just apologize and step down?

No, he would never do that, lol. He's not going to step down from this term unless he dies from natural causes.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

"Natural" you say? That includes lead poisoning, right?

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

It's important internationally in ways that would have domestic impact. If the market loses confidence in the US the tide cannot be stemmed. Kill trade, tourism and the dollar faster. Most importantly an unending bond sell off.

This also legitimizes resistance and sets up the moral high ground for the next stage everyone is waiting for.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 7 points 1 month ago

The best I could find outside of snopes is a reasonable dive into the material by another redditor:

https://www.reddit.com/r/50501Movement/comments/1mfs6i4/debunked_excia_whistleblower_the_nsa_audited_the/

Tldr:

"Remember, there could be valid facts mixed in with all of this. That’s how conspiracy theories work. They pull together real facts and truth and then mix it all up with allegations and unfounded theories to come to a completely outlandish conspiracy. There very well could be issues with election machines. I think there’s some credible evidence that the 2024 election was tampered with.

However, this specific claim holds no water. There is no proof that this man ever worked for the CIA. There is no proof that he conducted an audit with the NSA.

And further, the more of his work you read, the more clear it becomes that he is just another terminally online conspiracy wacko which should kill all of his credibility."

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

That isn't going great. They have a lot of staff living in the US and a Musk problem.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This thing about the hashing doesn't pass the sniff test for me in terms of evidence.

Per the submitted ECO, the configuration.ini file created during install of Electionware Additional Reporting module is a unique file for each customer install. Because this file is unique to each customer install, this file needs to be listed as a dynamic file in order for the hash verification results to match.

Like yeah, no shit it has to be considered dynamic unless you're using the same fucking hash for every fucking machine out there which is far more egregious than having a hash being listed as dynamic because, get this, it would be different for each system.

So I don't know, this sounds bog standard to me and indeed didn't affect things like voting tallies. People keep making hay about this, but until I see a lot more damning evidence, this sounds like people making the voting software actually doing the right thing.

I don't know, maybe that's just me. I am of the mind that a lot of us just don't want to face how deeply fucked in the head so many of the US populace are or how broken our voting systems already were beyond electronic voting. People have been getting dumped from voter rolls right before the election for decades, voting locations are shut down and people wait in long lines, we work people non-stop and don't give days off for election days and are shocked when young people, highly dependent on their new jobs, can't show up to vote. They didn't need to rig electronic voting when shit like gerrymandering, kicking folks of voter roles, scrutinizing signatures, and pretending like they have to be super sure people are who they say they are all results in a ton of fucking people being denied a chance to actually vote and have their vote matter.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The claims can be audited. I was hoping to see subpoenas or something after this broke then was expanded on in the article I linked here. But no, we have a handful of lawsuits getting slow rolled. I suspect we will get an answer in the form of paper ballots disappearing should someone manage to trigger a full recount. It's been months and this regime has no issue destroying evidence.

I thought about this for a while and realistically, if this happened, the only way you're going to prove it after the fact is if one of the nerds who helped flips or one of the rich shot callers kept evidence. Incompetence of DOGE could save the day but really where are there still going to be logs in another 6 months?

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well the thing that always sticks with me about "the nerds" is that each state runs its own elections and as such, has multiple election cybersecurity teams all over each state. The idea that they had what amounts to literally thousands of these nerds all over the country that all were in on it, all used zero-day exploits that were unknown, and all kept their mouths shut is just, well... it's definitely bordering on absurdly impossible for that many people to be involved and no one is popping off with evidence. Further security teams aren't just one person, so it would have to be every single person on every single security team and if there is one thing nerds with security credentials take seriously, it's security!

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[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Downvoted by shills, bots, trolls, et al?

Not that it's going to matter, honestly.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Crazy that it's been proven the election was stolen, but Neoliberals have conditioned idiots to pretend that the process is infallible, so the truth is ignored.

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You still think there will be midterm elections? Cute.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 weeks ago

Even Russia has elections

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

Not like we have a left with any power to stop them.

Im sure the fascist light(D) party will have very furrowed brows though.

Oh so furrowed.

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