no shit, fucking do something about it
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I thought China had beef with hexbear for a second ngl
There is something seriously wrong in US if China seems the saner one
the wholesome epic white supremacist imperialist entity is now worse than the ebil seeseepee, where is the world going
I've been mean enough, and that to some comrade's, recently, so I'll reach out the olive branch here instead of the dunk.
Maybe take this moment to reflect and try to read Chinese propaganda as equal but different to Western propaganda (I use this word without any negative associations, just literally works of media meant to convince of some position). Try to take it at face value, allow yourself to create that version of the world temporarily in your mind, and compare it to the world that you must create in your head daily to accept that the west is generally better than China on moral issues. What sort of information would you need to read and believe to accept that works where China is better? Is that a reasonable level of doubt? and is it possible that those arguments are already out there and you just need to decide your how your belief-boundaries are sketched for whether or not they can fit into it?
In social sciences propaganda just means political art, its not an automatically negative thing - its all about the message it has and the ideology behind the message, and if it is misleading or accurate.
Agreed! You are just adding to what I said, right? I was just trying to simplify that for a liberal by saying to remove the negative connotation
Yeah just adding my understanding
this is propaganda for example
True. I do think that there is a qualitative difference, though, between propaganda to convince someone of a very specific position with regards to history like "June 6th incident was a tragedy but caused by a CIA coup" and this sort of general encouragement propaganda. But both are propaganda surely
of course, one was intended to mislead to accomplish covert and overt political actions by the upper class - but also the story behind that muscle girl is as misleading as the June 6th one tbh - women got encouraged to enter the work force, then when the war ended they where told to go back in the kitchen and wouldn't gain rights like laws against martial rape, no fault divorces, the ability to own a bank account or the ability to drink alcohol in a pub till the 90s - It was a promise of rights and of autonomy that was ripped away from them.
To be clear, I totally take the Chinese side of the June 6th incident, the side with actual facts, witnesses, etc. By you using that phrase, I assume you do too, but for the sake of this thread I'm going to make that clear.
I agree that propaganda also Always implicitly and explicitly makes an argument for the entirety of the society and current ideological push of the class/state that creates it! But whether that is implicit (the propaganda can be directly true or have no "truth" value at all, but is undergirded by lies) or explicit (June 6th as China says is the truth, not the other claims) is a difference which is relevant to mention for convincing the OP of this thread, and for making our arguments clearer
Yeah with any propoganda you really just need to evauluate everything in a wider context and see what its doing and how its saying, and also it in contrast to what actually happened and the historical context it exists within.
All that to say propoganda can still easily be accurate, truthfull and not misleading - its a perspective with all that entails behind the author and is a medium like any other.
Wait, you're telling me that the country that's never dropped a single bomb on another country, hasn't been involved in any major wars since 1979, doesn't have a decades long tradition of supporting foreign coups and overthrowing democratically elected leaders in the name of freedom and democracy, never sanctions other countries for not serving their interests, is saner than a country that does all the aforementioned? Wow, I didn't know that. You're telling me now for the first time.
racism AND ableism wow good job
How is criticising a country racism?
Ableism how?
the only reason to have your expectation be that the US is better on such an issue is that you believe a load of racist propaganda.
consider how you're using the concept of sanity there.
i'll wait 
Its funny how white supremacists prefer acting as if they dont have a brain over standing up to their hitlerite beliefs, the fucking cowards.
