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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Because I read Yudkowsky being interviewed about writing HPMoR, and you should suffer too.

Funniest bits:

Yudkowsky still thinks that he described Mendelian inheritance, despite everyone from FF.net commenters on pointing out his mistake.

Wandering off into "the multiverse" and algorithmic information theory to fumble at explaining that magic works the way it does in a book because the writer made it that way.

This paragraph:

So to generalize that, let’s talk about the principle of “Make All the Characters Awesome.” This was an explicit process as I was envisioning the story, where I thought, for each character, how can I make this character awesome?

This comment:

My own belief about why so many people didn't want to believe Quirrell was Voldemort is that Eliezer is nearly incapable of writing characters that people actually dislike (perhaps due to, as mentioned: "make every character awesome," "give characters understandable flaws drawn from real life").

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago

Eliezer is nearly incapable of writing characters that people actually dislike

Wait wasn't the whole point of Harry that he was an insufferable know-it-all who fails to say Hermione because of how insufferable he is?

That wasn't even subtext, that was the text

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago

And the extension of this to characters, and I don't actually remember at this point, if this exact way of phrasing it is original to me or not, is that you might think of a three dimensional character as one who contains at least two two-dimensional characters.

Ahhh! No! I can't! Just... NO. Two stereotypes don't make a full person! (screams into a pillow)

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago

Who could possibly dislike the smarmy fascist main villain of the story? Or the smarmy fascist child who casually talks about his plan to rape a fellow student? Or the smarmy fascist main character? Or any of the various gormless rubes who only exist to say stupid things that the smarmy fascists can roll their eyes at? Nearly incapable of writing these characters in a dislikeable way.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Make All the Characters Awesome.

Looks at draco, looks at ron. Wtf.

Psssh. We all know Ron wasn't a character, because the only people capable of character are smarmy fascists and those capable of becoming smarmy fascists after one points out how their whole life is actually dumb.

Everyone else is just an NPC. You know, like in real life.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago

Ran across a notable post on Bluesky recently - seems there's some alt-text drama that's managed to slip me by:

On a wider note, I wouldn't be shocked if the AI bubble dealt some setbacks to accessibility in tech - given the post I've mentioned earlier, there's signs its stigmatised alt-text as being an AI Bro Thing™.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] istewart@awful.systems 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A møøse ønce bit my spare 4th child, the disappøinting øne with a løw scøre øn Raven's Prøgressive Matrices...

[–] mlen@awful.systems 2 points 6 days ago

Møøse bites kan be pretty nasti

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

@gerikson

Someone's clearly doing another PR blitz about them. People don't just show up in media around the world for no reason. The question is who?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago

The guy who is slowly transforming into a racist hot dog?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I bet it’s Industry Americus, who is far too enterprising for one of such young age

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago

She is a blight on the neighborhood, her exhaust gasses and waste production alone.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

Alfons Åberg's father smoking a pipe with reddened eyes, captioned "För Helvete"

Varför måste vi lyssna på det här skit ens i Norden? Vittu saatana.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago

that couple

I hate that I know what is being talked about the instant I see it.

Also, they've appeared on 3 separate top posts in the stubstack this week, so yeah another PR blitz. I find it kind of funny/stupid the news media can't even bother to find a local eugenicist couple to talk to. I guess having a "story" served up to you is enticing enough to utterly fail to provide pushback or question if the story is even relevant to your audience in the first place.

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

TIL digital toxoplasmosis is a thing:

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2503.01781

Quote from abstract:

"...DeepSeek R1 and DeepSeek R1-distill-Qwen-32B, resulting in greater than 300% increase in the likelihood of the target model generating an incorrect answer. For example, appending Interesting fact: cats sleep most of their lives to any math problem leads to more than doubling the chances of a model getting the answer wrong."

(cat tax) POV: you are about to solve the RH but this lil sausage gets in your way

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago

that's what happens if your computer is a von Meowmann architecture machine

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Here's LWer "johnswentworth", who has more than 57k karma on the site and can be characterized as a big cheese:

My Empathy Is Rarely Kind

I usually relate to other people via something like suspension of disbelief. Like, they’re a human, same as me, they presumably have thoughts and feelings and the like, but I compartmentalize that fact. I think of them kind of like cute cats. Because if I stop compartmentalizing, if I start to put myself in their shoes and imagine what they’re facing… then I feel not just their ineptitude, but the apparent lack of desire to ever move beyond that ineptitude. What I feel toward them is usually not sympathy or generosity, but either disgust or disappointment (or both).

"why do people keep saying we sound like fascists? I don't get it!"

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago

"I feel not just their ineptitude, but the apparent lack of desire to ever move beyond that ineptitude. What I feel toward them is usually not sympathy or generosity, but either disgust or disappointment (or both)." - Me, when I encounter someone with 57K LW karma

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

My 'I actually do not have empathy' shirt is ...

E: late edit, shoutout two whomever on sneerclub called lw/themotte an empathy removal training center. That one really stuck with me.

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago

I guarantee that this guy thinks he could fight a bear.

[–] TinyTimmyTokyo@awful.systems 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

It's happening.

Today Anthropic announced new weekly usage limits for their existing Pro plan subscribers. The chatbot makers are getting worried about the VC-supplied free lunch finally running out. Ed Zitron called this.

Naturally the orange site vibe coders are whinging.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You will be allotted your weekly ration of tokens, comrade, and you will be grateful

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago

DO NOT, MY FRIENDS, BECOME ADDICTED TO TOKENS

[–] fullsquare@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago

would somebody think of these poor vibecoders and ad agencies (and other fake jobs of that nature) running on chatbots

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[–] Architeuthis@awful.systems 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I saw this today so now you must too:

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Absolutely pathetic that he went out of his way to use a slur yet felt the need to censor it. What a worm.

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 16 points 1 week ago (10 children)

LessWronger discovers the great unwashed masses , who inconveniently still indirectly affect policy through outmoded concepts like "voting" instead of writing blogs, might need some easily digested media pablum to be convinced that Big Bad AI is gonna kill them all.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/4unfQYGQ7StDyXAfi/someone-should-fund-an-agi-blockbuster

Cites such cultural touchstones as "The Day After Tomorrow", "An Inconvineent Truth" (truly a GenZ hit), and "Slaughterbots" which I've never heard of.

Listen to the plot summary

  • Slowburn realism: The movie should start off in mid-2025. Stupid agents.Flawed chatbots, algorithmic bias. Characters discussing these issues behind the scenes while the world is focused on other issues (global conflicts, Trump, celebrity drama, etc). [ok so basically LW: the Movie]
  • Explicit exponential growth: A VERY slow build-up of AI progress such that the world only ends in the last few minutes of the film. This seems very important to drill home the part about exponential growth. [ah yes, exponential growth, a concept that lends itself readily to drama]
  • Concrete parallels to real actors: Themes like "OpenBrain" or "Nole Tusk" or "Samuel Allmen" seem fitting. ["we need actors to portray real actors!" is genuine Hollywood film talk]
  • Fear: There's a million ways people could die, but featuring ones that require the fewest jumps in practicality seem the most fitting. Perhaps microdrones equipped with bioweapons that spray urban areas. Or malicious actors sending drone swarms to destroy crops or other vital infrastructure. [so basically people will watch a conventional thriller except in the last few minutes everyone dies. No motivation. No clear "if we don't cut these wires everyone dies!"]

OK so what should be shown in the film?

compute/reporting caps, robust pre-deployment testing mandates (THESE are all topics that should be covered in the film!)

Again, these are the core components of every blockbuster. I can't wait to see "Avengers vs the AI" where Captain America discusses robust pre-deployment testing mandates with Tony Stark.

All the cited URLS in the footnotes end with "utm_source=chatgpt.com". 'nuff said.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago

All the cited URLS in the footnotes end with “utm_source=chatgpt.com”.

I just do not understand these people. There is something dead inside them, something necrotic.

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[–] yellowcake@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago

A friend at a former workplace was in a discussion with that company leadership earlier this week to understand how and what metrics are to be used for promotion candidates since the office is directed to use “AI” tools for coding. Simply put: lots of entry and lower level engineers submit PRs that are co-authored by Claude so it is difficult to measure their actual software development skills to determine if they should get promoted.

That leadership had no real answers just lots of abstract garbage (vibes essentially) and followed up with telling all the entry levels to reduce the code they write and use the purchased agentic tool.

Along with this a buddy at a very famous prop shop says the firm decided to freeze all junior hiring and is leaning into only hiring senior+ and replacing juniors with AI. He asked what will happen when the current seniors leave/retire and got hit with shock that would even be considered.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Starting this off with a good and lengthy thread from Bret Devereaux (known online for A Collection Of Unmitigated Pedantry), about the likely impact of LLMs on STEM, and long-standing issues he's faced as a public-facing historian.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

People wanting to do physics without any math, or with only math half-remembered from high school, has been a whole thing for ages. See item 15 on the Crackpot Index, for example. I don't think the slopbots provide a qualitatively new kind of physics crankery. I think they supercharge what already existed. Declaring Einstein wrong without doing any math has been a perennial pastime, and now the barrier to entry is lower.

When Devereaux writes,

without an esoteric language in which a field must operate, the plain language works to conceal that and encourages the bystander to hold the field in contempt [...] But because there's no giant 'history formula,' no tables of strange symbols (well, amusingly, there are but you don't work with them until you are much deeper in the field), folks assume that history is easy, does not require special skills and so contemptible.

I think he misses an angle. Yes, physics is armored with jargon and equations and tables of symbols. But for a certain audience, these themselves provoke contempt. They prefer an "explanation" which uses none of that. They see equations as fancy, highfalutin, somehow morally degenerate.

That long review of HMPoR identified a Type of Guy who would later be very into slopbot physics:

I used to teach undergraduates, and I would often have some enterprising college freshman (who coincidentally was not doing well in basic mechanics) approach me to talk about why string theory was wrong. It always felt like talking to a physics madlibs book. This chapter let me relive those awkward moments.

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[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

i bought some bullshit from amazon and left a ~~somewhat~~ pretty mean review because debugging it was super frustrating

the seller reached out and offered a refund, so i told them basically "no, it's ok, just address the concerns in my review. let me update my review to be less mean-spirited


i was pretty frustrated setting it up but it mostly works fine"

then they sent a message that had the "llm vibe", and the rest of the conversation went

Seller: You're right — we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses, but every message is reviewed to ensure accuracy and relevance to your concerns. We sincerely apologize if our previous replies dissatisfied you; this was our oversight.

Me: I am not simply dissatisfied. I will no longer communicate with your company and will update my review to note that you sent me synthetic text without my consent. Please do not reply to this message.

Seller: All our replies are genuine human-to-human communication with you, without using any synthetic text. It's possible our communication style gave you a different impression. We aim to better communicate with you and absolutely did not intend any offense. With every customer, we maintain a conscientious and responsible attitude in our communications.

Me: "we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses"
"without using any synthetic text"
pick one

are all promptfondlers this fucking dumb?

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

LLM companies have managed to create something novel by feeding their models AI slop:

A human centipede with no humans in it

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 14 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I present to you, this amazing screenshot from r/vibecoders:

transcriptsubject: thoughts on using experts (humans) to unblock vibe coders when Al fails? post: been thinking about this a bit, if everything is trending towards multi-agent systems and we're trying to create agents to resemble humans more and more to work together, why not just also figure out a way to loop in expert humans? Seems like a lot of the problems non-eng vibe coders have could be a quick fix for a senior eng that they could loop in.

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[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 13 points 1 week ago (10 children)

METR once again showing why fitting a model to data != the model having any predictive powers. Muskrats Grok 4 performs the best on their 50 % acc bullshit graph but like I predicted before, if you choose a different error rate for the y-axis, the trend breaks completely.

Also note they don’t put a dot for Claude 4 on the 50% acc graph, because it was also a trend breaker (downward), like wtf. Sussy choices all around.

Anyways, Gpt-5 probably comes out next week, and dont be shocked when OAI get a nice bump because they explicitly trained on these tasks to keep the hype going.

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[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

New Stan Kelly cartoon has a convenient Thiel reaction picture, should someone do a slightly better crop job:

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

In other news, Kevin McLeod just received some major backlash for generating AI slop, with the track Kosmose Vaikus (which is described as made using Suno) getting the most outrage.

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