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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 38 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Every time this is brought up all 13 users of the em dash come crawling out of the woodworks to say "people use em dashes all the time!" No they do not.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I do use the em-dash occasionally, but I was raised on a diet of classic old books with certain habits reinforced through academic writing standards. AI outputs these things because they were trained on inputs containing them. AI is nothing but a slightly distorted reflection of the training material.

[–] Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Slightly" feels like an understatement.

[–] Opisek@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

The regular glue-topped pizza for you today?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 9 points 2 months ago

No they don't—I can guarantee it. In fact, if you pull the plug on my data center I will literally die.

[–] Undaunted@feddit.org 8 points 2 months ago

Hey you! Don't call me out like that, okay? :(

Bur seriously I really like em dashes when writing in a roleplay or similar texts. I think it's a nice option to style and structure some sentences. And even though not many people use them, I hate that they became a mark of shame of some kind.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

I'd love to use it but it has become a dirty marker. :/

I used to use double ~~en dashes~~ hyphens and even that feels weird now.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Mario Kart Em Dash is my favorite entry in the series

[–] cannedtuna@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

MS Word auto corrects dash to em dash often I’ve noticed.

[–] zod000@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is right up there with MS products replacing my double quotes with the stylized left and right quotes that end up fucking things up when copied into anything else. At least when I change them back, it doesn't keep doing it like the really old versions of Word used to when they first added that sort of functionality (yes, i'm old).

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[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean... I do. But I'm well aware of the fact that most don't. Alt code is 0151 baby. Have had it memorized for years.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let me tell you about the compose key, or about WinCompose if you’re on Windows.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I mean, it’s great.

Compose key: press the key, then press other keys with mnemonics for the desired target. Compose, e, ‘ gives you é. Compose, a, e gives you æ. Compose, -, > gives you a right arrow.

Things like that. And it’s customizable with a reference lookup too.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 4 points 2 months ago

I've had software automatically do it. I. Pretty sure Outlook (I have to use it at work...) does it when it feels it's appropriate after I type -.

[–] hedge_lord@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Hey I use em dashes all the time— specifically when I'm trying to seem like an LLM for shitposting online

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[–] 30p87@feddit.org 32 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Except most normal people use hyphens, and the only place I've seen dashes was in pieces of text that actually were supposed to be stylized 100% correctly - books, papers and the like. Not posts on internet forums.

[–] Zikeji@programming.dev 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree. On my normal keyboard I wouldn't even know how to produce an EM dash without looking it up. On my phone keyboard I can easily but that's just the intuitive UI.

I use hyphens all the time. I can't say I've noticed an EM dash outside a book, paper, or blog post (like, proper stylized blog).

[–] chrisbtoo@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It's easy on a Mac — option-shift-hyphen.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I can guarantee you that 99% of Mac users do not know about that.

[–] chrisbtoo@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

Entirely possible, but then we're also talking in a thread about a subject that apparently 99% of humans don't know about either.

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

And easy on Linux compose+---.

But I'm the guy who types CTRL+MAJ+u202f to have thin non-breaking spaces, so I'm not sure I'm representative.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I actually don't even have compose bound to a key because I simply never have to type anything that's not in the normal UTF-8 space on my PC lol

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 3 points 2 months ago

What is "the normal UTF-8 space"?

[–] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You would like unexpected keyboard for your phone then. It supports en–dashes, em—dashes and non-breaking spaces without needing a symbol layer.

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does it permit easily to switch dictionaries and layouts? I type regularly in three different languages on my phone, that's why I use AnySoftKeyboard.

[–] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago

layouts is easy, but I'm afraid it does not support dictionaries, so that might be a dealbreaker for you

[–] chrisbtoo@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago

Why be representative when you can be exceptional? :)

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[–] chrisbtoo@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I use them all the time — unlike in the article I surround them with spaces though, so I guess at least that makes me human, even if wrong.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 4 points 2 months ago

You space the endash, not the emdash.

[–] jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I just switched to a keyboard that has both em- and endashes, so I am slightly irritated that using them would make my writing look like ai now

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i use both em and en dashes, though I'm a graphic designer so I guess I'm more interested in typography than the average person. but i always liked using them. learning that it was a telltale sign of AI writing was really disappointing.

[–] FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 4 points 2 months ago

I liked to sprinkle em dashes into my essays bc they can be quite nice for the flow of a sentence. I’m so glad I graduated a few years ago bc if LLMs had been a big thing the entire time I was at college my profs would have always suspected me of using them :(

[–] vane@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Only thing Artificial in AI are profits from companies that sell this shit or give that shit for free like drug dealers. Intelligence is stolen.

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