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Trump is probably on the list, so he has to protect that. The Democrats had it during their entire presidency; even if they didn't want turmoil during their time in office, they could have released it after their presidential defeat and before Trump took office.

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[โ€“] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 109 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Because wealthy and powerful degenerates on both sides of the aisle are on the list.

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[โ€“] Sanctus@lemmy.world 50 points 2 months ago

Democrats are on the list.

[โ€“] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 months ago

You think none of them are on the list too?

[โ€“] hperrin@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Tbh, probably because a lot of their donors are on the list. Also, Bill Clinton. And probably several other Democrats.

[โ€“] Habahnow@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I don't think Bill Clinton has that much pull honestly. But important Democrats or important donors maybe.

[โ€“] christian@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago

I agree, but I think Hillary does, and it would be a personal embarrassment to her.

[โ€“] bruhbeans@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 months ago
[โ€“] ComRed2@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago

Because It's one big club that's playing theater for the masses. They're all on the fucking list.

[โ€“] sgtlion@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago

It's a big club, and you ain't in it. And the whole club is on the list.

[โ€“] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You need to stop seeing them as different groups.

[โ€“] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Its more clear than ever. I don't understand how more people don't see it atleast amongst those who follow politics like this.

[โ€“] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

One side plays the good guys and one plays the bad guys. When the curtains close they shake hands and hang out together.

[โ€“] mendiCAN@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago

more then likely cuz there were more then a few D politicians n definitely Democratic donors on that list.

[โ€“] CarrmynCarnage@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Mutually assured destruction is my likely guess. If the list came out, I imagine there would be massive casualties on both sides.

[โ€“] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Good. They should be destroyed.

Unfortunately the people making that call are largely people that are on that list or closely connected to people that are.

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[โ€“] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

Same reason

[โ€“] booly@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago

The boring answer: criminal investigative files generally aren't released, so they're compiled in a way that mingles information about victims with information about suspects and witnesses and others potentially involved in criminal activity, intentionally or unwittingly, directly or tangentially.

If you want to export a list of all names in the files, you'll want to filter out victims for sure, and probably mere witnesses. You definitely don't want to out informants and make them vulnerable to retaliation.

So most law enforcement agencies simply will keep everything secret. The idea of releasing names from the file was unusual, and it's not surprising that Trump's own people refused to follow through, especially when it's highly likely that Trump was in that list of names.

[โ€“] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because many of them are probably in it too. While they play to hate each other. In the words of George Carlin, " They are all in a club and you will Never be a part of it."

[โ€“] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's a big club, and you ain't in it.

Small correction, but you're otherwise absolutely correct. ๐Ÿ˜˜

[โ€“] zephiriz@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thanks. Edit. Just reminds me of Jimmy Carter's funeral where Trump and Obama where being rather buddy buddy. Same with Bush.

[โ€“] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 18 points 2 months ago

The obvious answer is that the Clintons are heavily implicated, but in a more general sense, the point of blackmail is to extort someone into doing something on the condition that you don't release the blackmail. That's why they got Epstein to connect with so many academics, celebrities, and other public figures. If they were to just release the blackmail, it would lose intelligence agencies all their leverage.

[โ€“] TommySoda@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The same reason every politician and government will never release them, because they are trying to protect themselves or someone else. As long as money and power remain the only things politicians care about this will never get released. And I find it absolutely infuriating that these people will always prioritize reputations over the literal r*ping of children. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of people just blatantly getting away with it because apparently every single elite is in on it.

[โ€“] whostosay@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Only war is class war.

[โ€“] njm1314@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The obvious is that Dems are on the list too. Which is undoubtedly true. Even more importantly than that donors. But the fact that Merrick Garland was involved and he'd never to anything to make Trump look bad ever should also be remembered.

[โ€“] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

ongoing investigation, they still cling to norms. even if pedophilia wasnt bipartisan they wouldnt have released it.

they also could've dismantled ICE but they like fascism.

[โ€“] huf@hexbear.net 12 points 2 months ago

lol you think bill gates and his friends would allow their pet democrats to do a thing? lol

[โ€“] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because I suspect most of the rich and famous are on that list and both (dems and rep) are now blackmailing the people on the list for money.

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[โ€“] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

For the same reason Republicans haven't released the Epstien client list. Many of them and their donors are on the list.

[โ€“] rational_lib@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The Democrats had it during their entire presidency

Specificity is the path to the truth. People call out for "the list", but don't seem to know exactly what this is. Given that all this activity is illegal, there's little point in storing a list of illegal sex clients in QuickBooks.

Instead, the closest thing would probably be a contact list, with people who were in on it and not mixed in. Prosecutors definitely have such a list, as it was shown in court - exhibit "GX52". This list was partly shown in the Maxwell trial, but also sealed by the judge - not Democrats. Supposedly it contains "many, many, many, many names" including some with "massage at Palm Beach".

Now you could say, why didn't Biden tell the DOJ to release that list. Probably for the same reason he didn't tell them to drop the prosecution of Hunter, which he later pardoned him for. Be cynical as you want about the separation of the DOJ and the president, (which Trump has consistently ignored) Biden did make a show of upholding it. And releasing the list to embarrass Trump would be a pretty blatant violation of that principle. It would also probably violate the seal order, making DOJ attorneys vulnerable to contempt.

They belong to intelligence

[โ€“] Alsjemenou@lemy.nl 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because it isnt a list of sex offenders. Its a list of contacts, clients, whatever. Just having a name on a list from Epstein doesn't mean anything beyond being suspicious. It doesn't prove anything by itself. But the public doesn't care about that. So the people on that list need to be protected, they are innocent until proven guilty. You can't and shouldn't want to make it public.

There is no deep conspiracy necessary. Although powerful people are implicated due to being on the list, or actually did things that are fucked up. The fact none of it got public isnt proof of conspiracy, rather of a functioning legal system. And it wouldnt surprise me if these papers simply never got handed over to any politician, despite their claims.

And them asking stupid questions like 'hand me over the list of child molesters that epstein made'...which doesn't exist. Lets not forget that most of these Trumpets are exceedingly dumb.

[โ€“] for_some_delta@beehaw.org 3 points 2 months ago

The justice system is working as intended. Working people are disenfranchised. The powerless create myths when the system can't be criticized. We are all dumb, but power belongs to the owning class.

[โ€“] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 4 points 2 months ago

Checkout this podcast which has an interesting take on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o069oHLvDkg

Basically, they conclude that we all know who is implicated already and this is just a lot of meaningless distraction. They go on the point out that people from both parties are involved, and that even know we know by in large there has been no consequences and there is unlikely to be any.

[โ€“] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

because there most likely was no magic client list, as evidenced by the fact that the republicans are desperate to put out the fire they started pushing conspiracy theories now that they're in power.

[โ€“] TheDarkestShark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think a lot of people are missing a crucial point about Epstien, his ties to Israel. Our government may have a list but it is not theirs to release.

[โ€“] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 2 months ago

The blind support US provides for the genocide makes me wonder if Israel is the one with all the kompromat everyone says Russia has

Or maybe they both do

Surprised nobody leaked it

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