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Fun fact : it's my first ever post on any lemmy instance/community blob-no-thoughts ...which is messed up..

Okay tbh I don't know if I should have posted this some place else or if here is just fine oh-shit

So I'm brand new here, I've joined as lemm.ee was going to shut down. I only chose Hexbear because of how big and active it is, and of course for all its shade of leftism (being far left myself) but tbh that part was just a plus for me, what I wanted more was an opened enough instance, an inclusive one with enough peace of mind (not having to deal with unhinged/oppressing posts/comments daily).

But I started noticing that actually Hexbear had been defederated from some big instances like lemmy.world, upon trying to understand why I stumbled upon lemmy.world ~~BS~~ post explaining they did it for preemptive reasons (wtf πŸ’€), obviously I just dismissed lemmy.world entirely and continued enjoying my time here. But then I noticed other instances like Blahaj blocked Hexbear as well and a bunch of others, I never found out why.

Then, while trying to understand what's with all the defederating I stumbled upon a lot of negative noise against Hexbear, claiming you lot are doing some horrid stuff like war crimes denial, trolling, hate speech, spreading pro-Russian propaganda (like anti Ukrainian stuff don't misinterpret me here, I'm fine with anti-western views or western propaganda skepticism), so much so I don't really know if what I read was some kind of fascists trying to slander this place, or people confused about Hexbear political views, or if it's linked to some Hexbear history I'm not aware of... It's just weird because so far I haven't encountered anything I could hold against this instance, for all I've seen you're all sweet and making nice content, haven't seen anything unhinged, but what makes me uneasy is this defederating thing, I can't help but wonder why.

I'm really confused. Can someone explain to me what this is all about ? Is it just some right wing noise, some unknown drama or what ?

Edit (in case any of you see it): Thanks a lot everyone for all your answers, kind words, jokes, emojis and for being so welcoming. What you all said was very informative, and most of it I sadly expected. Having taken a liking to lemmy I knew that whatever I'd learn it'd be a cause for concern, it saddens me that several instances, big ones at that, would just make more room for the far right by suppressing leftists and spreading hate. As always in any such case I can't say I'm surprised but it worries and disgust me nonetheless. Anyway I'm glad I found this place :)

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[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Welcome kim-drip !

I don't have much to add that hasn't already been mentioned, other than make sure to check the news mega if you're a newshead/enjoyer. For whatever reason I avoided the megathreads for years but finally discovered how much I was missing out on.

Enjoy! sicko-jammin

[–] Aelis@hexbear.net 8 points 18 hours ago

Thanks 😊

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 127 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Hexbear existed pre-federation as its own little isolated forum that developed a relatively-active userbase with relatively shared ideals. When federation came around, Hexbear was different enough that we couldn't enable it right away and it took much effort from the dev team here to "unfork" us. When federation was finally enabled, our culture clashed with other instances in several major ways:

  1. emojis were bugged and were enormous when viewed on any other instance
  2. our high activity and commonality of opinion made other instances think we were constantly botting or "brigading" (its legacy has been preserved in emoji form: brigading ), when in reality it was simply our users posting as they always have
  3. we have a whitelist of instances, and the mod team demands compliance with certain standards. Of particular note due to the current internet culture, for an instance to remain federated with us, they must not be willing to tolerate transphobia by their own userbase. This is a bar that most instances fail to pass.
  4. we really hate Biden, Harris, and the democrats more broadly for various valid reasons (currently the hot button topic is them carrying out a genocide in occupied Palestine), and libs really hate to hear how the "good guys" are themselves monsters, or seeing "Death to America" regularly.
[–] dat_math@hexbear.net 84 points 1 day ago (2 children)

emojis were bugged and were enormous when viewed on any other instance

this was hilarious though

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 63 points 1 day ago

The biggest poops on the biggest balls

[–] Edie@hexbear.net 59 points 1 day ago (8 children)

You can still do it. If you remove "emoji" from the title it becomes big again.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 54 points 1 day ago

That's an incredible amount of power to drop here

elmofire

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

its own little isolated forum

Well, biggest Lemmy* instance at the time by a big amount.

Yeah, this matches my experience as a lemmy.ml onlooker. People in the federated instances were mostly used to more diplomatic answers from the .ml socialists, or at worst one of the three tactless accounts of the mostly-fine Lemmygrad crowd, then bam, suddenly they could barely make a liberal take without ten Hexbears telling them off, and inevitably a few just badposting or PPB like they would to a liberal tourist trying to set up camp on hexbear.net. These rudeposts were a small percent but the scale of Hexbear accounts and the sudden arrival made people notice, cry "Russian Bots", all that stuff. To go from one or two accounts making political rants to an oversized PPB in reply to a "normal" post is a big jump for a community, Hexbear was considered a malicious troll instance by many. (citation: the site taglines)

Wanting people to have housing, healthcare, and food is a pathway to many philosophies some consider to be... unnatural. weird-bolshevik

[–] larrikin99@hexbear.net 65 points 1 day ago

we have an ideology which is incompatible with and hostile to liberalism, and their socialization on the internet has left them unable to deal with that fact in a healthy way. they usually love dunking on ideological opponents, often by pretending to have conversations with news headlines in an aloof and dismissive tone. (you'll notice Reddit has a surprisingly frequent number of front page stories where the headline simply a quote or declaration from an adversary like Putin, usually abridged or summarized in such a way to suggest weakness, hypocrisy, or frustration). unfortunately, they're out of their depth when it comes beyond flat earthers, creationists, and anti-vax. On reddit, they manage to fill the gap with moderation power and downvotes. here, they just seethe. it's hard to believe, but these people have such poor coping skills, I literally see them routinely invent quotes that don't exist in the source or imagine historical events on the spot which they will then assert happened without investigation.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

free palestine, end the zionist entity and its apartheid and genocides

[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

it's common for haters to exist envious of those whose powers are beyond their grasp

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's why .world is just a waiter at the table of our success.

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 92 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Half of it is transphobia and queerphobia and half of it is liberals seething about us being further left than them

[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 67 points 1 day ago (1 children)

gotta love "allies" that save their homophobia/transphobia for people they disagree with.

[–] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 44 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Look at the the reaction people had when Caitlin Jenner turned up to have shitty opinions. Immediately everyone started misgendering her, mocking her transition, claiming she wasn't actually Trans...

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[–] axont@hexbear.net 43 points 1 day ago

every single time I see one of their posts complaining about getting banned from here I check the modlog and it's always something transphobic or racist

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Liberals hate communists more than they hate fascists

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Apparently they even hate dem socs now too.

[–] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 45 points 1 day ago

We killed Henry Kissinger.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 97 points 1 day ago

of the main communist instances hexbear is the most active, has no downvotes, and has a culture of dunking
so when someone from another instance has an awful reactionary take, they tend to get mostly clowned on by a metric shitload of hexbears
this leads to wildly exaggerated and made up accusations because "i said something horrible and people yelled at me for it :(" doesn't really inspire sympathy

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You got a lot of good answers so here's a joke answer that nonetheless is true: we hold an uncomfortable mirror up for the liberals. They do not like what they see.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 26 points 1 day ago

this is particularly visible in people like jon stewart, who holds himself up as the limit of how far left you can be and gets big mad when you pants him from the left.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Complaints about hexbear: almost exclusively liberals and reactionaries looking for excuses for why they always lose arguments with us. "Spreading pro-Russia propaganda" is a go-to liberal excuse for left criticism of Ukraine or pushing back on racist liberal criticisms of Russia. Liberals want to believe asiatic hordes mythologies about a revanchist Russia rather than acknowledge history or material conditions before 2022. Mention Minsk II and they start namecalling. Mention NATO and they cannot handle the of NATO being worse than Russia.

Defederation and hexbear: when hexbear has defederated from other instances, to my knowledge it has always been about the admins of another instance tolerating transphobia, including chasers. Other instances defederating from us is always supposedly high-minded liberals having a breakdown when they fail to have an echo chamber for left punching. Or in the case of lemmy.world, preemptively defederating "as a last resort" to entirely avoid having to think about this.

Of course, in all of these cases don't forget that these same people and instances tolerate neo-Nazi posting and reverence, e.g. Azov. They are simply being protective of the worldviews handed down to them by their patron saints (talking heads and Reddit admins). Also keep in mind that site admins have a habit of being thin skinned nerds, so even if their users disagree with their logic (like the lemmy.world defederation post comments), it makes no real difference because site admins are basically petty lords over their sites. Imagine being a person that wants to make or be Reddit 3.0 and whose only real complaint about Reddit is a lack of third party apps.

[–] theturtlemoves@hexbear.net 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

the admins of another instance tolerating transphobia, including chasers

What are 'chasers'? Tailists?

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 3 points 10 hours ago

They are people who fetishize trans people. They tend to be particularly dehumanizing about it.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They hate us because we have the most intelligent, powerful, and beautiful posters. Like you! stalin-heart

Welcome!!

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[–] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 38 points 1 day ago

You got a bunch of answers, so I'mma just say hi.

Always happy to see new users, and I love my leftist comrades howdy-skull. There is technically a /c/howdy comm if you wanted a more chatty intro.

[–] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 78 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's mostly just liberals and fascists and their natural hatred for socialists.

I will say that the anti-Ukraine thing is kind of real. Nobody here thinks Russia is secretly communist or anything, but Ukraine was overthrown in 2014 by a neo-nazi aligned, US backed coup. They then spent the better part of a decade persecuting ethnic minorities in Eastern Ukraine, which overwhelmingly supported the overthrown government. The stuff they were doing would have gotten a non-US aligned government branded as cultural genocidaire, but they kept escalating and eventually were firing artillery at civilian centers regularly and sending neo-nazi death squads into the East to harass and murder civilians.

Nobody here wants the war there to keep going and causing all this suffering, but the idea that this is a black and white conflict and Russia invaded for no reason at all, or because he just wants to expand Russia, is not common here.

[–] Aelis@hexbear.net 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Yeah I was uncomfortable bringing up the Β«pro-Russia propagandaΒ» thing, I am aware what's going on in Ukraine is no simple topic, in the context of my post it was more about war propaganda which in some cases I can be fearful of. I'm not gonna lie though as much as I'm quite open to pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine sentiment I'm not pro-Russia myself, I'm just distrustful or at the very least careful, but it has to do with the financial ties Russia has with the far right in my country, the fact that in the past they managed to make a media outlet in my country that spread misinformation benefiting far right views, and lastly because in the political history of my country being blindly pro-Russia contributed to the death of our communist party (by crumbling the confidence of its members and the trust of their voters), which was one of the biggest and beneficial party we've ever had (not like Russia is to blame in this case though).

[–] hankthetankie@hexbear.net 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 59 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think a part of it is bc our culture was founded on being Merry Tricksters who spam pics of a pig whose shit landed on his balls when someone has a bad take that doesn’t deserve the dignity of an actual response, while the rest of lemmy is comprised of hardcore Reddit fundamentalists who expect everyone to take everything seriously at all times (unless they’re sharing a meme from like 9 yrs ago)

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[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Hexbear is explicitly anti-capitalist and anti-liberal. We're a bunch of Marxists and anarchists, and we aren't apologetic about it. That's the crux of the matter, really, those who oppose communism tend to oppose Hexbear.

A lot of the hate against Hexbear relies on deliberate misinterpretation, but a lot of it is as simple as the anti-Hexbear crowd being right-wing. There's also the "leftists" that oppose Hexbear because of a lack of correct understanding of theory and leftist history. There are also the people that don't vibe with Hexbear's more shitposty vibes.

Lemmy.world's admins and many moderators are anti-Marxist, so that's why they defederated here and Lemmygrad.

If you consider yourself a Marxist or an anarchist, there's a good chance you'll fit in! If not, and you're interested in learning about Marxism or anarchism, then you'll also fit in! Welcome!

howdy-skull

[–] Aelis@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

Thanks and yes, I surely don't belong elsewhere :)

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 68 points 1 day ago (11 children)

You have to keep in mind that many of those users haven't interacted with Hexbear at all, especially not the ones on lemmy.world since they defederated pre-emptively as a last resort, so what they know about us is some second hand purple monkey dishwasher bullshit. I've seen some truly baffling takes like that we're just pretending to be inclusive to trans people.

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[–] tocopherol@hexbear.net 78 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I haven't been here as long as many but it seriously is like an oasis of kindness for a queer leftist compared to any other online group I've seen. People here aren't kind to Nazis or nazi-adjacent posters though, as it should be.

People who complain about hexbear on other instances are nearly always liberal or further right trolls who come and post some obvious bullshit, get berated for sharing reactionary propaganda, then often get banned because they get mad and show their true racist or transphobic colors and start using slurs or generally become toxic.

Pretty much anyone I've ever seen come and argue in good faith, with a real misunderstanding or false info, or just something that they disagree with here will be met with reasonable clarification.

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