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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 day ago

Deeply unserious managers of empire continue to self-cannibalize their own productivity in an effort to go even more all-in on financial capital, all while the global south is doing its best to pivot towards more favorable relations with countries like China. When the US Empire runs out of countries to exploit, and financial capital ceases to be profitable, it will have no developed industrial base nor a strong scientifically trained worker base to pull itself back up. The US is cooked, this is just speedrunning the demise of the empire in a faster and harder fashion.

The good news is that the worse this gets, the more favorable the conditions for organizing become, and the more vulnerable to revolution the state becomes. We can legitimately take advantage of this, and gain mastery over capital, rather than the inverse. We can re-industrialize, become socialist, and begin the long and difficult but necessary path towards legitimate progress. It won't be easy, but it will be doable.

[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

“All you need is Jesus” -MAGAcucks

[–] Vespair@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's only the half of it. Look at the rest of the policies, look how they want to cut Medicare and food stamps and other safety net programs.

Make no mistake, this administration wants to see people die.

This is the end game the technocrats have been working towards, this is how they're enacting their eugenics. They want poor people, disabled people, disadvantaged people, to die. They believe they are culling the weak members of the herd for the sake of the betterment of "their" kind (rich, white, "healthy", etc).

These policies aren't stupid or ineffective, they are cruel and insidious by design

[–] ATPA9@feddit.org 7 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I still don't understand their end goal. If everyone exept for them is poor and dying who are they going to sell their stuff to? What will they exploit the people for if they can sell nothing because only they can afford it? Are they banking on becomming the new china and sell everything to the rest of the world? Wouldn't killing half of your population bite that plan in the ass as a fuck ton of manpower is gone? And if they want to use machines as a replacement wouldn't removing all the smart people be extremely unhelpful?

[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

They goal is to get rich, they are mostly old, thinking I'm death in 10 years and fuck the next generations. If the country crashed, well then I can continue living in a Mansion in Dubai with an coctail in the hand. Plunder policy.

[–] stabby_cicada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the ultra rich are preparing for the collapse of global civilization in our lifetimes. And they're preparing by extorting as much wealth from the people as possible, now, to build redoubts to retreat to, and hire private armies to defend themselves, to bunker down until the wars are over.

Their long-term priority is not the financial health of their companies or their countries. Their long-term priority is surviving World War III and global mass starvation on an unimaginable scale.

Look. Climate change is really fucking bad. However bad you think it is, it's worse. And the global economy is really fucking fragile.

Think about what happens when China or India get hit with a major drought and hundreds of millions face death by famine. Or when the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets go and a billion people in coastal cities are flooded out. Economic disruptions, supply chain breakdowns, a refugee crisis beyond anything the world's ever seen. And as nations get more and more desperate to feed their own people, as the world produces less and less food and less and less clean water, war becomes inevitable.

And war will break supply chains even more. People who aren't locally self-sufficient in food and water won't be able to get food and water from outside their area. Even people who are self-sufficient will become less so as climate change fucks with agriculture. Result? Billions dead of starvation.

(In this interpretation, Trump's obsession with Canada and Greenland makes a lot more sense. When the ice caps melt, that'll be some of the most valuable real estate on the planet.)

Who will they sell to? Nobody. The ultra rich are planning for a future where global population is under a billion and most survivors have been knocked back to subsistence farming. They're setting themselves up to be the techno-feudalist lords of a post-capitalist, post-democracy society.

Deleting science education just helps keep the peasants quiet, so they don't realize what's happening until it's too late.

(Okay, alternate explanation: the people in charge are old men who want to make as much money as possible before they die and don't care about the long-term future at all. That's a much more banal explanation, but more likely to be true - after all, the environment is collapsing now because oil executives in the '60s and '70s looked at the very accurate predictions of climate change their scientists gave them and thought "who cares, I'll be dead by then". But Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg, the other young-ish technocrats? I think they know collapse is coming and are using it as an opportunity to build a new post collapse world in their image.)

[–] hexagon@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 day ago

It is not hard to understand if you think that money is just a number, practically is just used to obtain power and influence, and they're using it for that. Once everyone is a slave, what do you need to sell

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Make no mistake, this administration wants to see people die.

They want to see people suffer before they die.

[–] mrodri89@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The whole conspiracy theory of the new world order feels more real every year. Make everyone suffer so they have no choice but to submit to the oligarchs.

People are already having trouble finding jobs. Cutting food stamps and Medicaid feels like pieces of making people suffer in a bigger plan.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 23 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Wait, the bottom ones are PreK-12 students.

How are they planning to reduce the number of children?

Is this why they hired RFK?

[–] rozodru@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

a dumb population is easier to control than an educated one. They don't plan on reducing the number of children, no they need more to produce for the wealthy. What they need are dumb kids that will grow into dumb adults. uneducated adults are more likely to have A LOT of kids. So you strip education, you strip healthcare, you make abortions illegal across the board, thus you force the population to keep pumping out new workers. many will die, the strong idiots will survive.

They're turning the country into cattle.

[–] Jeremyward@lemmy.world 4 points 22 hours ago

Nah see we gonna use AI to train the kids instead of teachers. Also gotta make sure the AI uses the correct training data, like how the world is 6000 years old and the gays are a sin.

[–] Buffalobuffalo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Number of children, being educated. Surely we could do that.

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[–] Tetragrade@leminal.space 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Huge news for the WW3 odds. ✍️

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've figured this out. If MAGA gets rid of all the smart people, they won't seem as dumb anymore!

[–] Nangijala@feddit.dk 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This reminds me of a particularly hilarious scene from The Death of Stalin where they have all the country's best doctors lined up to save Stalin after his heart attack, but they are all bumbling idiots and Stalins men get angry about how incompetent they are until someone reminds them that Stalin literally killed all the best and most capable doctors in the soviet union out of paranoia.

And so, Stalin dies.

[–] kikutwo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Here's to hoping for a similar result.

[–] ghosthacked@lemmy.wtf 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A country for REAL (white Christian male) Americans.

When are you people going to get the message. It was never a country that was about equality. It was about enrichment for a select group of people. When their privilege was threatened, the veil came off.

None of this changes until the rest of America decides enough is enough. That might never happen. If it does, it won't be for years or decades.

The US died on Jan 20th, 2025.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'd argue Citizens United was the death blow.

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[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 day ago

Every good authoritorian dictatorsihp first goes for the educated people cause smart people know this shit is fucked.. hitler, mao, polpot, stalin, lenin never failed to do this.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 day ago (6 children)

A healthy, broadly educated population, which feels safe and secure, are incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.

They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago (18 children)

As non-american I'm becoming increasingly convinced republicans are actually lead by traitors wanting to destroy the US.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

I dont think that's it.

It's an overwhelming case of "got mine".

Like sanders said, being a GOP member just means staying in line.

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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.cafe 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I used to wonder how did the Islamic Golden Age end, how did the Muslim World go from leader in science, technology and commerce to has-been. Now I see leaders in the West destroying in years what took centuries to build. Civilizations like living organisms go through cycles of birth, rise, peak, stagnation and decline, some make a comeback in a different form like Europe after the Renaissance and China after Communism, and some don't. Good thing we have other nations picking up after the decline of Western Civilization.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Islamic golden age ended because of centuries of European crusades followed by the mongol invasion. It had little to do with a lack of appreciation for science and scientists.

But there is only so much scholars can do, when under relentless attacks by barbarians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

This period is traditionally understood to have begun during the reign of the Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid (786 to 809) with the inauguration of the House of Wisdom, which saw scholars from all over the Muslim world flock to Baghdad, the world's largest city at the time, to translate the known world's classical knowledge into Arabic and Persian.[4] The period is traditionally said to have ended with the collapse of the Abbasid caliphate due to Mongol invasions and the Siege of Baghdad in 1258.

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 115 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Never played a conquest game where you stop researchers from giving your empire a tech advantage over others.

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[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Europe will welcome them with open arms.

People starts to realize that having a higher wage in the US doesn't translate into a better quality of life.

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[–] can@sh.itjust.works 177 points 1 day ago (8 children)

And still some people think it will be fine in 3.5 years.

[–] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 112 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh my god it’s only been half a year D:

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[–] mikenurre@lemmy.world 138 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or another way to look at it- cutting nearly 75% of scientists. Can't have climate change if there's no one working! Watch them find some money to give to ExxonMobile to 'study' the impacts of fossil fuels. Wonder what that report will say! /s

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 46 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Brain drain is a difficult downward spiral to break out of once it starts.

[–] verdare@piefed.blahaj.zone 21 points 1 day ago

This is something I think a lot of people don’t realize; It’s a cascading failure. It’s not just that some competent people will leave the country. The rest of their teams will have to bear the extra burden and be demoralized. They will then feel compelled to leave as well.

It’s happened numerous times in both the public and private sectors. Now they’re deliberately trying to do this shit on a national scale. If we ever recover from this, it’s going to take decades…

[–] KingCake_Baby@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

The times, they are a'changing

Death to IMPERIALISM

Death to CAPITALISM

Death to FASCISM

Death to MAGA

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The country built on brain drain, assumes it is great without the brain.

I hope the scientist find favorable places that value science.

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[–] Zerush@lemmy.ml 72 points 1 day ago (6 children)
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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Critical support for Trump's struggle against US cultural and scientific imperialism.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 89 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Has an empire ever been so complicit in their own demise?

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