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[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 13 points 7 hours ago

Oh trump's definitely not the "daddy" in this relationship.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 hours ago

Russia could not even prevent Assad from falling to some militia with some training from Turkey, while Iran was also helping. What do you believe is going to happen, if they would try to fight another professional military? They are not even winning in Ukraine, which gets some support from Europe, while Russia has a full on war economy.

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[–] crazyhotpasta@lemmy.world 20 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Rutte just said the other day that he trusts that Donald is committed to said alliance XD

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago

Mike Lee floats a lot of turds, even in excess of what the standard put out. He's been agitating against NATO membership practically since his first day in the Senate, along with his close friend Rand Paul.

This bill won't even make it out of committee, unless Lee can get a bug in Trump's ear over it.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 7 points 8 hours ago

Why do you believe Rutte pushed through the 5% military spending target? It is needed to replace the US in Europe and be a working deterrent to both Russia and the US.

It also is a bad move to leave NATO, as this makes the EU the logical center to coordinate the defense of democracies.

[–] olafurp@lemmy.world 25 points 10 hours ago
[–] oyzmo@lemmy.world 36 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 7 points 7 hours ago

all of which is advantageous for putin.

[–] Tiger666@lemmy.ca 4 points 8 hours ago

Not without a lot of bloodshed, unfortunately.

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

It seems highly unlikely for this to pass. There are so many bills being proposed but often it's not actually relevant since it's going nowhere.

[–] mirtuevagnet@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Agreed. Sensationalist newsweek article and title.

[–] b0ber@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Step 1: Get help from NATO in the middle the east. Step 2: Once NATO needs your help withdraw. Step 3: PROFIT.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

Step 3: Become irrevelant, getting replaced by otherwise mediocre countries. That's one way to bring world peace, I guess.

[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 43 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

That's fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.

[–] Xande@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Hey, you know how much money they spend on having this bases? Some regions depend on it.

On the other hand... I think Trump and his mad posse wouldn't risc being such bigmouths without their Bases in Turkey or Ramstein.

Also their level of megalomanic moronity makes me fear that when the USA leaves Nato it would start attacking the rest of the world. Canada and Mexico first. Then they would find "justifications" to raid through middle america and "bring idiocrazy" to south america. Reinstating slavery for everyone that ain't "a good godfearing white patriot"... Because... the white race is superiour and needs Lebensraum.... Oh god, I've heard that shit all over in history class when I grew up in Germany in the 1970ies...

Please, anyone stop them now!!!

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

We should wait for them to start a war with someone like Canada, and THEN ambush them. But to do that, Russia needs to be overrun.

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[–] Mangoholic@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I remember german history class aswell, it might get ugly history seems to repeat itself a lot.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

Unfortunately, that's not how Imperial Presidencies work.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today -2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Good....GOOD. Immigrants in EU welcome! 😁

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 26 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

[–] Zezzoz@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago

USA showing again how they are traitors and cowards.

[–] mapu@slrpnk.net 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (6 children)

I like this! It's a good thing for the EU to decouple from the US. The EU's military budget is definitely good enough, just very badly managed. This will push the EU to get its shit together and achieve proper autonomy. Only then it'll be able to enter international agreements on equal footing with other superpowers and not have it be a serfdom relationship in exchange for protection

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 52 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

US: "NATO members need to up their defense spending!"

NATO: "Okay, we'll do it."

US: "Actually, We're leaving NATO." 🤡

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[–] carlossurf@lemmy.ca 15 points 14 hours ago

Gotta make daddy putin happy

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 14 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

So is it their goal to turn the US into an irrelevant backwater or what?

So far they've introduced bills that diminish their own military force, decimated global trading relationships, now they're trying to back out of the final commitments they have left. By the time 2030 rolls around no one will want to be president because they'll have no power.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

The worship of limitless work and the military, a toxic obsession with hyper-individualism and isolation, with a paper-thin facade of morals and self-proclaimation of greatness, while everyone is broke, without opportunities, hooked on drugs, and stuck with crumbling infrastructure in vast stretches of remote nothing-land, while getting used and abused by multinational corporations and barons?

Sounds like they're just pushing the mentality of the southern states to a national level.

[–] grueling_spool@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago

It's worse: the US president's only remaining power will be military. And when the only tool you have is a hammer...

WWIII is not a meme. It is imperative that the American people correct the course of their nation before it is too late.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Nah they want to attack whoever they fell like without having to go through a meeting.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago

"This is an invasion that could have been an email!"

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago

Yes. The most charitable interpretation is that people have forgotten the lessons of the 1900s and think that a replay of Herbert Hoover is a good idea.

Last time it took a few decades and destroying countless lives to fix. Hopefully the cost is lower this time.

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