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[–] Bieren@lemmy.world 19 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

And then Russia can do whatever the fuck they want. Which is what daddy Trump wants.

[–] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Not really. European NATO countries are currently strong enough to repel a Russian attack if we so wish. Taking into account hiw strong the Russia is at the moment. It will be stronger in the future, but we are easily able to increase our strength more than the Russia can.

And if USA withdraws from NATO, then the rest of EU, not only Finland, Baltics, Sweden, and Poland will be forced to take defence seriously. This will make NATO more like it was supposed to be, and it will no longer be used for offensive wars.

But... USA withdrawing from NATO would of course have negative sides:

  • a war with the Russia would not end in two days with a decisive victory for us as it would with USA in, but would drag on for weeks at least, likely years. And thousands or tens of thousands would die.
  • USA's allies in Asia would not dare to trust USA anymore and would turn towards China for coöperation, regardless of China's imperialism. This would.make China stronger, which would be bad for Europe.

But still: The EU is the biggest economy on this planet. We are absolutely able to win a war against a country with an economy only as big as one of our 27 member states. We just need to bother to do so. Which means we'll need to change our mindset. Heh.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 hours ago

Right now nearly all aid to Ukraine comes from Europe and Russia is not able to win that war. At least not easily. That is with Russia in a war economy, whereas Europe half asses deliveries for the most part and obviously there are over a million professional European soldiers with some really good kit around as well.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 points 4 hours ago

I'm fairly sure Ukraine is almost stronger than EU combined right now. We would NOT speedrun Russia, and Russia is a death cult that would have hundreds if not millions of casualties on their side, even if we did (saying this as a Serbian, and we are normally very proud of our combat abilities for some reason).

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 13 points 7 hours ago

Oh trump's definitely not the "daddy" in this relationship.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 hours ago

Russia could not even prevent Assad from falling to some militia with some training from Turkey, while Iran was also helping. What do you believe is going to happen, if they would try to fight another professional military? They are not even winning in Ukraine, which gets some support from Europe, while Russia has a full on war economy.