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Image is of destruction and damage inside Israel, sourced from this article.


Iran and Israel have struck each other many times over the last few days. There has been a general focus on military facilities and headquarters by both sides, though Israel has also struck oil facilities, civilian structures and hospitals, and in return for this, Iran has struck major scientific centers and the Haifa oil facilities.

Israel appears to have three main aims. First, to collapse the Iranian state, either through shock and breakdown by killing enough senior officials, or via some sort of internal military coup. Second, to try and destroy Iranian nuclear sites and underground missile cities, or at least to paralyze them long enough to achieve the first and third goals. And third, to bring the US into a direct conflict with Iran. This is because the US better equipped to fight them than Israel is (though victory would still not be guaranteed depending on what Iran chooses to do).

Iranian nuclear facilities are hidden deep underground (800 meters), far beyond the depth range of even the most powerful bunker busters (~70 meters or so), and built such that the visible ground entrances are horizontally far away in an unknown direction from the actual underground chambers. Only an extremely competent full-scale American bombing force all simultaneously using multiple of the most powerful conventional (perhaps even nuclear) bunker busters could even hypothetically hope to breach them (and we have seen how, in practice, American bunker busters have largely failed to impair or deter Ansarallah). There are several analysts on both sides who have concluded that it is entirely impossible to physically prevent Iran from building nukes.

I fully expect the US to join the war. I believe the current ambiguity is a deliberate invention of the US while they work to move their military assets into position, and as soon as they are ready, the US will start bombing Iran. After that, Iran's leadership must - if they haven't already - harden their hearts, and strike back with no fear, or risk following the path of Libya, Syria, and Iraq, either into either surrender, occupation, or annihilation. Every day where they do not possess a nuke is a day where lives are being lost and cities are being bombed.


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[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 60 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

El País: In a surprising maneouver, the Spanish government rejects the NATO amendment to rise military expenditure to 5% of GDP (article in Spanish). As of the time of the publishing of this article, it's the only government that openly opposed this amendment, claiming that fixing the expenditure to a percentage of GDP is "unreasonable", and that fixing the military capability objectives first and then allocating the funds is "counterproductive".

The Spanish Prime Minister, Pedro Sánchez, proposes instead to either make a "more flexible formula" that allows to opt out of the 5%, or to allow for a mechanism allowing Spain to reject this 5%. The prime minister reminded Rutte that deciding over the defense budget is each country's own ddecision.

In my opinion, this is a very rare socdem W, probably tied to try and divert progressives in Spain from the corruption scandal unveiled last week affecting some of the closest members of PSOE to Pedro Sánchez. I want to believe that Sánchez is an infiltrated Xi agent, which would explain his massively intelligent maneouvers to not only overcome previous political problems within the PSOE and accusations from the right wing in the country, but to actually come out reinforced (I beg everyone to read the "letter from Pedro Sánchez to the Spaniards" in which he proclaims to be deeply in love with his wife, and the effects it had on public opinion towards the most handsome European president).

Additionally, and more seriously, the PSOE government hinges on a multi-party coalition with parties such as Sumar, Podemos or Bildu, further left than the PSOE, which are more reluctant to accepting the military budgets, and whose few seats are important to maintain stability in the government. Serious disappointment (not surprise though) at Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya and their most popular face Gabriel Rufián for adhering to military budget increases using phrases such as "leftism also means order".

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[–] nasezero@hexbear.net 71 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Really feels like we're in a situation where, given these assumptions:

  • Iran commits to their stated war goal of punishing Israel until they dare to never strike Iran ever again.

  • Iran has sufficient capabilities and internal popular support to do such. (And every analysis I've seen suggests they likely do on both counts.)

Then one of these two outcomes must occur:

  • Either, the US enters the war, and Iran's retaliatory strikes on oil infrastructure and trade routes absolutely fuck the world economy, and have a serious possibility of triggering WW3.

  • Or, the US doesn't enter the war with Iran, and Israel likely loses an attrition war against Iran. I dont really see how this doesn't eventually lead to the collapse of Israel.

That second option comes with the scary question of "will Israel resort to using its nukes?" So I guess that's another route to WW3.

Idk, I'm no expert and I'm open to hearing other likely ways for this to play out, but this is where my head is at given all the information I've been absorbing so far.

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[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 82 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Funniest thing about Israeli interception rates falling dramatically is that it puts the United States in a damned if they do damned if they don’t situation.

Give the Zionist entity more anti-missile munitions and deplete your own difficult to replace stockpile at the cost of becoming basically defenseless against China

OR

Let Iran make the incredibly fragile Zionist entity unsustainable by not giving it the anti-missile munitions it needs and sending the settlers packing.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 79 points 6 days ago (1 children)

If they drop a nuke on Fordow they can claim whatever they want to claim about its success because nobody will be able to verify whether it actually damaged the facility via radiation monitoring.

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[–] iie@hexbear.net 76 points 6 days ago (17 children)

Is it actually plausible that America might really chicken out? Someone pour water on my optimism if it's unfounded

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