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Recently joined and started a community for people who want to move away from Lemmy and want to see Lemmy loosen its stranglehold on the threadiverse, if that seems like something interesting to you consider checking out !cancel_lemmy@piefed.social

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[–] WatDabney@piefed.social 3 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

My thought is that Piefed is too eager to curate my experience and too heavily promoted of late to be believably organic

It reeks of an organized, astroturfed attempt to effectively centralize the fediverse.

[–] MoreZombies@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I thought anyone could create a Piefed instance, and it can be interacted with by both mbin and Lemmy?

[–] WatDabney@piefed.social 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago) (1 children)

i presume you're questioning the assertion that it seems like an attempt to effectively centralize the fediverse?

Yes - anyone is free to start an instance.

However, a new instance is not going to get any communities on Piefed's preset list of subscrptions, nor is any community which the Piefed devs, for whatever reason, disapprove of or oppose or simply dislike. And that means that if Piefed can gain enough users (by, for instance, astroturfing the appearance of greater popularity than it in fact currently enjoys), then it will be able to effectively gatekeep the fediverse - to undermine or advance existing instances and create an insurmountable barrier to entry for new instances, by granting or withholding positions on its list of communities to which users are automatically subscribed.

Additionally, it seeks to do essentially the same thing to individual users, by instituting a karma system (something that the rest of the fediverse has not coincidentally avoided, since it was and is so easily and often abused on Reddit) and by automatically collapsing responses with 10 or more downvotes (it would be child's play to use bots to deal out ten downvotes to whoever one pleased). Again, if it can attract enough users, it will then have enough clout to effectively control the narrative not just in its own communities, but throughout the fediverse.

And those potentialities, in combination with the fact that Piefed has gone from being rarely if ever even mentioned at all to, in just the last few days, being mentioned hundreds if not thousands of times a day in threads on virtually any topic, makes me highly suspicious.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 1 points 23 minutes ago (1 children)

Piefed has gone from being rarely if ever even mentioned at all to, in just the last few days, being mentioned hundreds if not thousands of times a day in threads on virtually any topic, makes me highly suspicious.

You make interesting points, but for this specific thing, it almost certainly has to do with the .ee shutdown which was announced just a few days ago, apparently PieFed has fantastic comm transfer tooling so that's why it's probably been exploding in discussions since .ee has a number of large comms that are trying to figure out their next steps

[–] WatDabney@piefed.social 1 points 7 minutes ago

That undoubtedly had some effect.

But then, look at this thread for a particularly egregious counterexample.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I don't really agree that it's an attempt to centralize the fediverse but I do think that the push and praise for it feels extremely unnatural, especially how people are bragging about liking and wanting the reputational features of it, and being able to hide the modlog. Like dude those are the biggest reasons people left Reddit, and now suddenly "people" are just going gaga for those same anti-features. That seems more than fishy to me...

[–] WatDabney@piefed.social 1 points 15 minutes ago

The reputational anti-features are part of what makes me suspicious. I agree entirely with your impression of it.

And the unnatural and extremely sudden increase in mentions - over just the last week or so, it's gone from Piefed almost never being mentioned anywhere to it being mentioned in hundreds if not thousands of threads a day. That also makes me suspicious.

The other thing though is Piefed's automated subscription feature, which, if it gains enough clout, will allow it to effectively promote or undermine, as the devs prefer, communities or even entire instances, and to erect a barrier to entry for new communities and new instances, simply by granting or withholding inclusion on its subscription lists. That's the primary thing that triggers my suspicion.

Well - that and the fact that aside from anti-features like reputation and automated subscriptions, I don't see anything notable about the software, and to the degree that it differs from lemmy or mbin, it seems if anything to be inferior, which makes the sudden flood of praise just that much more suspicious.

[–] tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.garden 25 points 14 hours ago

"Stranglehold" lmao. They invented the threadiverse and they are welcoming other implementations like mbin and piefed. That's the opposite of a stranglehold.

Go cancel yourself

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 14 hours ago

I like Piefed, it's my daily driver, but cancelling Lemmy is probably too much.

The majority of people still haven't moved from !privacy@lemmy.ml (!privacy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) or !linux@lemmy.ml (!linux@programming.dev ), so trying to get them to switch platform based on "cancelling" isn't productive.

If you want to advocate for your platform, explain what features Piefed has compared to Lemmy (https://join.piefed.social/features/) instead.

[–] elevenbones@piefed.social 17 points 15 hours ago

What the fuck are you talking about Jesse?

[–] underline960@sh.itjust.works 37 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

You can sell me on Piefed without trying to cancel Lemmy out of nowhere.

How does it compare to mbin as a Lemmy alternative?

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I've always thought it was really weird and really dumb sentiment to want to cancel Lemmy, as an Open source software. It's like people think they need to endorse the developers' views to use Lemmy, or pay them money to use the software. But like that's really dumb. Lemmy is free and opensource software, the developers have no say in who uses it, it's also opensource meaning anyone can fork it. So this position just seems weird and reactionary.

One thing that really makes me reluctant about the future of piefed is the fact that it runs on Python. Great for tinkering but it likely won't scale well, and Python is famous for breaking backwards compatibility. So expect this project to be hosed when Python 4 or 5 comes out and breaks compatibility or syntax with the previous version. I saw this happen with Kodi and other platforms with Python Based plugins, and it'll most definitely happen again, not to say it can't happen with something like Rust or Go, but these compiled languages are designed for big projects, python is just one-off scripts, so the ones maintaining languages like Rust, Go, C++ work a bit harder to keep them as functionally compatible as possible so big projects aren't crippled and trashed by an update.

Anyway that's my opinion on this whole thing, I don't believe Piefed is the future, and I do not think Instance Admins should jump at the chance to abandon Lemmy. Maybe for sublinks if it ever comes out, but not for piefed.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Mate,you have a 20 year old perception of python. "good for tinkering", Cheezus...

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[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 15 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Why cancel lemmy? it ain't perfect, but it's not a bad platform.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

Some people for some reason want to cancel or boycott lemmy as a software because they think it'll hurt the Devs, which is stupid because this is open source software. Not only do the Devs get nothing from people using it without donating but they can't stop people from using it either, and since it's opensource, they can't stop people from modding/forking it either. This whole movement to cancel Lemmy is just reactionary garbage.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 7 points 17 hours ago

i just say feel free to block the triad of tankies instances, i imagine the complaints are come from there.

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (3 children)

I just moved my instance over to PieFed on the weekend.

If anyone is looking for a smaller PieFed instance away from the bigger players, we'd love to have you here at quokk.au.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Interested, how do I move an instance from Lemmy to piefed?

[–] GreatBlueHeron@piefed.ca 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

I'm not a server admin., just a user. The Lemmy instance I'm on setup a Piefed instance in parallel and is giving users the option to use either, or both. I'm still trying to get my head around the history and the pros/cons of each but for now it seems like I'm switching to Piefed. I imagine that if most users move then the Lemmy instance might get shutdown in the future.

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

At the moment, you basically have to restart it all with a fresh install of PieFed on your server.

They are working on features options to transfer over and copy the content etc, but that may be many months away still.

[–] Shimitar@downonthestreet.eu 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

So I will stick on Lemmy for the time being. After all I don't care for down votes, I think votes in general should not be private, because this is like a public plaza what you say is public, and attaching a reputation because of down votes is dangerously bullying and a slippery slope, so piefed doesn't actually feel like my pie at the moment.

Still maybe I will try a fresh installation just to check it out.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I think votes in general should not be private, because this is like a public plaza what you say is public, and attaching a reputation because of down votes is dangerously bullying and a slippery slope, so piefed doesn’t actually feel like my pie at the moment.

I agree with this, both of these things are bad on their own but together they are extremely bad. Like it encourages the same groupthink as there is on Reddit while also allowing easy vote manipulation to help yourself and hurt others. Really bad combination.

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