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[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago
[–] Plesiohedron@lemmy.cafe 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That might break the statehood contract. Which would lead to repercussions. Which would lead to more repercussions...

As everybody involved well knows, of course.

[–] yagurlreese@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

yes too bad something needs to be done. sick of the world clowning on us。 everything has repercussions

[–] vala@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Just fucking do it. Put us out of our misery.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

What does this even mean? Like W2 taxes go directly from employer to federal right? What kind of control can California actually do to stop monetary flow to the federal government?

[–] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 82 points 3 days ago (1 children)

See, when people say Democrats need to start DOING things to push back against Trump, this is what they're talking about.

Is this a foolproof idea? Probably not. Could it backfire? Possibly. Will it really help? If it makes the admin second-guess what it can get away with, yeah, that's helpful. This is the energy we need. Stop playing softball with these fascists.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago

He literally hasnt done anything. More talk, no action, what's new?

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 80 points 3 days ago (6 children)

"Californians pay the bills for the federal government. We pay over $80 BILLION more in taxes than we get back,” the Democratic governor said in an X post Friday afternoon, referencing a recent analysis from the Rockefeller Institute that California contributed about $83 billion more in federal taxes in 2022 than it received back from Washington."

So if Newsome cuts off the flow, it's not just the $83B overage, it's everything + $83B.

California is, what? 13th largest economy in the world? 11th?

Whoah... 4th. Just ahead of Japan and behind Germany:

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/04/23/california-is-now-the-4th-largest-economy-in-the-world/

US and China being #1 and 2.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You know? It really begs the question:

What's preventing conservative states from being able to pay for their own social programs and infrastructure?

Is it liberal states absorbing all the wealth so that the conservative states can't grow? Is it that being conservative is actually really really bad for the economy? Maybe they just never recovered from having slavery taken away and refused to adapt. Because there's definitely something going on...

[–] CaptainHowdy@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

When a State actually takes care of it's citizens, it becomes a better place to live and start businesses. That attracts and creates better educated and more affluent people, which makes it a better place to live and do business. People flee the poorer states for a better chance at success in the liberal state. Repeat this for a century or so and that's how conservative states become shitholes and liberal states (and countries) are much better off.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Personally, I think climate has a lot to do with it. Texas overcomes their climate because of oil, but look at the bottom 10 GDP states compared to the top 10:

Top 10:

California
Texas
New York
Florida
Illinois
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Georgia
Washington
New Jersey

You're going to boil your ass working in Texas, Florida, and Georgia. Oil makes it worth it in Texas. Agriculture, aerospace and defense in Georgia, apparently. Tourism in Florida.

Bottom 10:

West Virginia
Delaware
Maine
Rhode Island
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
Alaska
Wyoming
Vermont

1/2 of this list is known for brutal cold. I think all Rhode Island produces is commuters to New York. LOL.

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

California, propping up red states since 1970’s…

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Did something happen then that started to prevent red states from having functional economies?

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Average population intelligence and education.

[–] Placebonickname@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Inbreeding catches up to everyone.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Regularity capture. Lobbying. Lead poisoning. Terrible politicians. Regressive tax policies.

[–] bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 29 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Texas is the 8th largest economy in the world.

that blew my mind recently.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 28 points 3 days ago (8 children)

I'm too lazy to verify my hunch, but I'm guessing Texas is largely oil (exploiting natural resources), whereas California is largely intellectual output (tech, with some Hollywood and other sundry stuff), though California certainly does exploit its natural resources too (good farming conditions, some oil...).

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[–] PTSDwarrior@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 days ago

This fucker needs to put his money where his mouth is. He has been too deferential to Trump so far.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is the first stage of sedition.

The US is literally about to become divided. The DSA

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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Considering how Trump is gutting the IRS I wonder why I’m paying federal taxes.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So people with more money than you don't have to?

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[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know someone that hasn't paid their taxes in years and they've yet to face consequences. I genuinely do wonder if the IRS has the capability to enforce tax collection atm.

[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They “caught” me because I forgot to file the paperwork showing my employer arranged me paying my taxes on vesting stock shares. Couldn’t have been more than four figures. I’m glad they’re on the case of small-fry tax “cheats.”

Meanwhile, billionaires pay nothing in taxes.

But billionaire are supposed to pay nothing. That's intentional. Lol.

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[–] Bonus@piefed.social 39 points 3 days ago (4 children)

It's beyond time for California to defund Trump.

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[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago (10 children)

Can someone explain how this would work? When I work a job and they withhold money from my check, they then pay that withheld money along with the matching taxes paid by the business directly to the federal government, don't they? Would the state just order the businesses to send the money to them instead? If my tax dollars don't get sent to the fed, wouldn't the IRS still come after me to pay them?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for it. I just don't understand the mechanics of how it would work.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Just declare that jobs within the state no longer collect it, and provide a hotline to identify employers who don't comply. It's not like the IRS has the people to manage federal enforcement.

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[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago

Can someone explain how this would work?

I think to pull this off California would need to enact some sort of large state tax and then offer tax rebates. Then California could capture the money before it's sent to the fed.

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[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 31 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I'd be fine if the west coast joined Canada somehow. I realize it's probably unrealistic and impossible, but one can dream.

Source: Live on the west coast.

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

This Canadian doesn't want the added baggage of American guns, Jesus, and hubris.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

As a Canadian who lives on the US West Coast, I probably wouldn't have a hard time with that personally.

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