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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Hard agree. I'm not dyslexic, but I also occasionally mark text to keep progress, especially if it's a long piece. And if I really want to copy that text, I will, sometimes just out of spite that you're trying to outsmart me, and I'm more likely to leave your site sooner too.

Also, while we're at it, can you please leave scrolling behaviour alone and not override it? I have a nice mouse that lets me scroll as fast or as slow as I want to. In some rare cases with a fancy UI where one wheel notch scrolls a whole page I agree that overriding the behaviour is warranted. In all other cases just FUCKING LEAVE SCROLLING AS IS (as handled by the OS and the browser) and don't try to be fancy; if you try to be fancy for no particular reason, I'm more likely to leave your site ASAP rather than prefer it over other sites.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Isn't it amazing when text is also not selectable? Like its rendered behind some other shit?

I fucking hate websites ❤️

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

The reddit mobile app has broken text selection. I did same thing as OP but with my stylus.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Like when someone makes an image of text? At least OP set alt text & linked to the source with real text: rare at lemmy.

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or when you try and select a letter and it auto selects the whole fucking work or sentence, jumping all over the place?

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 0 points 18 hours ago

I HATE that. I like to save things i read or find interesting in Joplin (open source notebook software) and it always has to be this giant fucking undertaking to copy some text off a website. I am annoyed just thinking about it... So i always end up just copying everything on the page instead. Don't have time for that shit...

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Also please stop using light colored text on light colored backgrounds, it's a stupid idea. Thanks for your attention.

[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come to Japan where they like to make everything images instead. Can't select it, can't copy it, can't translate it without a camera, can't preview the text of something, is bad for accessibility, etc.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Do you want to copy text into a translator app? Fuck you!

[–] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

UI designer/developer here. One who works on features that facilitate reading.

Based on their writing style and the text highlighting habit, this person is likely dyslexic. I've helped create functions that facilitate this behavior, which is better suited as a mode that can be enabled manually. There are browser extensions that can do this sort of thing for you. I've worked on a lot of assistive reading features.

If this was set as a default behavior, most users would fucking riot. Most of them are using text highlighting for what this person doesn't want to do.

Edit - I think I need to emphasize that this is based on real data. A shit ton of it. These decisions aren't made based on vibes. If the user base is performing a specific action repeatedly, we're going to facilitate it. We can see what you all are doing. UI's aren't built around a bunch of conflicting edge cases based on anecdotes. If something performs a certain way, at least major applications, it's usually because a lot of direct observations and metrics have strongly indicated that this is the preferred approach.

Admittedly, sometimes business goals get in the way of that. But if those business goals we have to push get in the way of conversions, they get abandoned pretty quickly.

[–] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 1 points 15 hours ago

We can see what you all are doing.

No, you are seeing what the people too clueless to install tracking protection are doing.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

(Apologies for my tone below, but this affects me also, and I dislike the notion that messing with how you normally select text is a niche desire)

We don't need any new functionality or a custom mode, we just want unexpected popups to not get in the way of expected behaviour when selecting text.

As long as your options appear well above the text, and doesn't cancel the highlighting, I can't accept whatever you want to do. But as the OP writes, if it's easy to misclick, this is bad UI design because it does not conform to the expectation that nothing will pop up. (Google Docs is the first example that comes to mind as implementing popup options totally fine, from recollection)

If it's too close to the selected text and causes misclicks, then I'm gonna be annoyed about this since the vast, vast majority (luckily) of text on the internet you can highlight to your heart's content and nothing pops up.

Just keep options decently above the highlighted text (I dunno what the right number is, 2 lines above the start of your selection? hey I'm not a UI designer)

In conclusion, change is okay, but intuition is important.

Tantacrul makes some great UI videos if you haven't seen them before (not that I'm telling you how to suck eggs about your own profession, he's just genuinely funny and interesting to watch)

[–] wieson@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

I disagree.

The mode for options is called the right mouse button and the mode for just highlighting is the left mouse button. One of the great pillars of UI design is conforming to expectations.

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

UI user here.

A good rule of thumb for interfaces is "one action, one function." Highlighting text and opening a context menu are two separate functions that should require separate actions (at least as default behavior, user configurability is also a good thing). If I highlight text, the only thing that should indicate is that I want the text highlighted. If I subsequently want a context menu, I will do the context menu action (right click, long press, etc). A UI should never be trying to predict what I want and it absolutely should not be doing things that I didn't explicitly direct.

You need sane defaults and having what is effectively a predefined macro is not a sane default.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

lots of people do it, not just people with dyslexia. it helps keep track of where you are when there are large blocks of text. also it usually raises contrast so I'm sure that helps some people even more.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

it helps keep track of where you are when there are large blocks of text

So does the edge of the window & mouse pointer.

also it usually raises contrast

If the contrast sucks, then the UI is already broken. There are accessibility standards for

If you're selecting merely to read, there's a good chance the text is too small, the lines too long without enough space, the contrast too low, and that would all be addressed by following common web accessibility standards. Good accessibility is good UI.

16px is commonly considered a good minimum text size for accessibility. When I outgrew thinking tiny text was cool, I standardized interfaces to render at least that size & found a vast improvement.

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[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 43 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

My absolute biggest gripe about the failings of proper UI design is icons with no text attached.

Floppy, okay surely the save button. Some book looking thing, no fucking clue. An eye in the middle of a square, what the fuck are you people doing???

Having to hover over a weird looking icon to MAYBE gleam some sort of information on it takes so much longer than just having the fucking text below the God damn icon. Sometimes they don’t even have hover text! Thats GREAT UI skills there, Junior! Maybe you’ll get there eventually!

Fucking idiots.

[–] ne0phyte@feddit.org 13 points 2 days ago

Massive +1. I can easily imagine complex 3D shapes in my head and freely manipulate them, but my brain works horrible when it comes to icons for some reason. I can't intuitively find what I need, not even after months or years. Even after using something for a long time I will constantly hover over all icons to read the tooltips until I find what I need.

The software I work on at work has a navigation at the top of just icons. I see it every day and I just can't seem to associate the icons with the functionality.

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For PC, extra functions should be in the context menu in my opinion. For mobile, that's a little tougher, but maybe tapping on the selected text should bring up the options? Selecting on mobile is a tough thing anyway, and any solution is probably going to be a problem for someone else.

Actually, that's probably true for any UI design choices. There are some that are generally a good idea (like defining a reasonable navigation order for your elements or making design respond to viewport sizes to ensure that everything actually fits), but interaction options can get really muddy.

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 167 points 2 days ago (28 children)

Modern UI designers don’t have a fucking clue.

You’d think the first principle would be “don’t break the existing fucking UI”, but no.

Infinite scroll. Windows without toolbars. Replacing context menu with useless site-specific one. Forcing links to open in new or same tab, depriving the user of choice. Blocking text select. Blocking copy, as if that’s somehow going to stop people from stealing your shitty content. Fucking with the browser history.

And then there’s the constant reinventing of the wheel. How many times do we need to implement a fucking checkbox?

No lie, I’ve actually had designers come to me with a concept for “a visual indicator that shows the user how they are progressing through the page”.

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 84 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No lie, I’ve actually had designers come to me with a concept for “a visual indicator that shows the user how they are progressing through the page”.

What the actual fuck, do these people actually use computers.

My biggest gripe is websites that take control of the browser C-f.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Web designer/ devs needed to add back visual indicators to long articles when OS designers started hiding scroll bars.

It’s also helpful when the article ends, but has a bunch of shit below it (like required advertiser garbage or huge footers). If the up dev is smart, they’ll calculate the length of the article so that the progress indicator is accurate.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 71 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I mean, over the years the scroll bar has got less and less visible. Maybe these people don't even realise it exists.

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[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 92 points 2 days ago (17 children)

I have a deep hatred for modern designs. Especially Material and Adwaita. There's SO. FUCKING. MUCH. WASTED. SPACE. Early 2000s Winamp on my 1024x768 monitor had more concise and legible information than Tidal and Spotify do on 1440p fullscreen. It legitimately pisses me off.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 1 day ago

I do this. It’s just a stimming thing while reading web articles and I hate being sent to Twitter or whatever for it.

[–] DemBoSain@midwest.social 50 points 2 days ago (14 children)

I use a system at work that is 100% web based. I have 2 4k monitors in my desk. Why are the apps formatted for viewing on a phone? I've gotten to the point of hacking the CSS on every page just to make things usable.

At the last version upgrade, the developers made some changes to the interface. They couldn't be bothered to change the existing CSS, so they just put !important on all the new stuff.

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[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I get unreasonably (okay, reasonably) upset when the simplest way to share an image is to take a screenshot of the image.

[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

F12 > Network > Images > (select image) > Save Response As...

Seems like a lot of steps, but you get the hang of it pretty quickly. And probably faster than cropping your screenshot, plus you get the original without any compression or other degradations.

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[–] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 77 points 2 days ago (6 children)

When I am on a phone, let me zoom on whatever the fuck I want. Unconditionally. Period. I won’t purchase shit off of your shitty site if I can’t see it. And you obviously have no clue how shitty my vision has gotten over the years. And for the love of anything good in the world, don’t wait till I’m zoomed in to pop a fucking model asking me if I want to join your list for 10% off. If I buy something, you’re gonna put me on your list, whether I like it or not. And I can’t stop you if I actually want a receipt. So just give me the discount. Or don’t. I don’t even fucking care anymore. Just fuck off. Fuck.

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[–] anas@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We went from using no punctuation to using too much. I struggled while reading this.

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