It's a nasty can of worms that never should have been opened.
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Yet if we followed conservative logic, they want all trans people to use their birth assigned bathroom. But that means you’ll still have manly, bearded dudes walking into the women’s room because a lot of trans men are manlier than many cis men.
So even by conservative rules, you will still have people who very much look like cis men walking into the women’s room
You're really missing the point still - the regressives want reasons to use their guns. They want reasons to hurt people. The goalposts will continue to move until they face opposition; at that time, they're prepared to use their second amendment rights to fire upon Americans they disagree with.
The goalposts will continue to move until they face opposition.
They don't want trans people in bathrooms or anywhere else. They want to disappear trans people, either by re-assimilating them into their "designated" sex, or if they are too far gone, just plain old disappearing.
Exactly. They just don’t want them to exist and they don’t care how this happens. This is the ultimate impossible goal they’re trying to achieve. I feel awful for the lgbtq community, because violence against them will only get worse.
This is the take I'm surprised isn't talked about more. If the point is to keep "male passing" people out of women's restrooms, then you have to accept trans men as men and let them use their assigned rooms as well. Like there's no "win" condition for the right on this argument and idk why more people aren't pointing this out. If they're already clutching pearls over butch looking women, what happens when Elliot page strolls in with a suit jacket and no shirt on?
The point is to keep making non cis folks illegal, the rules are just stepping stones to the ultimate goal of eradication.
This conservative’s brain crashed just thinking of the concept
Fuck that host. "This is something we can talk about more... " Video was cut, but you can tell she was going to change the subject.
They will cheer on the violence.
They want us in basements, closets, or graves.
Most don't care which. Some won't settle for basements.
They don't think in a logical framework, they just keep punching and mandating and screaming until the ick goes away.
Transphobia also hurts cisgender people.
I would know. I was hurt by it too. It doesn't involve bathrooms btw.
This looks more like homophobic cunts rather than transphobic cunts.
The venn diagram is a near circle.
These are all exactly the same people, if that's not clear.
I really should've read the article better. But both are really bad for society.
oh yea it does, one of my family members was misgendered as a man when she went into the womans bathroom one time, eventhough she isnt, by an demographics that have a wierd reaction to asian people.
The more stories about this I hear, the more I just question the reason why gender norms even exist. And I mean that in general.
Like, what do you mean men shouldn't act flamboyant and vulnerable? What do you mean little girls should always be seen playing with Barbie dolls (or in the context of my country, Fulla dolls)? Growing up, I never understood why making this distinction beyond the biological and sexual stuff was even necessary. Aren't we all humans at the end of the day?
100% all humans at the Endo of the day.
The reason a lot of it exists is to communicate social roles, because social role mediates interaction. The earliest division of social role was biological sex, and so that's commonly an aspect in gender.
How gender is expressed is a complex interaction between socially agreed upon norms, how the individual interprets their gender, how others interpret that, and so on.
Individual gender is a matter of psychological, biological and social factors which influence how an individual chooses to understand themselves in the context of society and also how they present themselves to society.
The socialization part is where we teach people the behavior needed to express genders, and is where the genderd toys come in, amongst other things.
All that to say, what we need is a way to communicate social role, and what we have to do that is loosely tied to sex and dominated by an imnense amount of social momentum. In a sane world the genders would be split into a lot more pieces.
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I'm not sure this had anything to do with transphobia. The attackers just sound homophobic; they probably saw her hair and don't know or care that the slur they picked isn't for girls. It's sad that she's going through this. Their girlfriends robbing them after they had been beaten down speaks volumes about what sort of people they are.
It generally really sucks to be a victim of a hate crime.
A GoFundMe crowdfundraiser has since been launched to help with her medical bills and to afford a lawyer to press charges.
The US is utterly fucked. Nothing short of a revolution will save them.
In the US, there is no justice unless you can afford a lawyer.
I was assaulted at an inpatient institution last December. My stay was illegally upgraded to involuntary; I was denied the ability to file a grievance or speak with a patient advocate. I was also placed on the female ward as a passing transgender man and outed to all other patients. They did not provide me with discharge paperwork; as a consequence, I lost my job.
I cannot afford a lawyer; there will be no justice for this.
I’m so sorry this happened to you 💜
Why the fuck does she need a lawyer to press charges? Assault is a crime against the state. It's supposed to be the police and the state prosecutor who deal with this.
The DA is supposed to seek criminal charges in criminal cases with enough evidence to prosecute. If the victim of any crime in the US wants financial restitution (for hospital bills, lost wages, etc.), they need an attorney to pursue a civil suit.
A civil suit, yes. But the description was to press charges. I thought it implied a private prosecution, rather than a suit over damages.
Governmental agencies are abandoning their written duties for the current regime, including cops. Doesn't help that cops are being trained that the public is the enemy. Also, regular investigations and crime solving has been steadily going down. Demographically, conservative-racist people is the biggest group to be in law enforcement, meaning they will be less likely to help someone that's different. Just recently, the DOJ is refusing to enforce court rulings in favor of the orange king. It's horrible, and dire, and too many in power seem to not care or trying to ignore it.
The state will fail to accomplish anything meaningful in prosecution - a bad deal or bungled case. Plus there's the notoriety the case is already generating. She'll need to file a civil suit as well, and she'll need someone making sure everything is OK on her end (the attacker doesn't counter-sue for instance).
I've been the victim of hate crime, you think you're gonna get a justice boner and fight it to the core, but in reality the simplest/safest answer for the victim is to shut up and make it disappear. You're already traumatized, fighting is confusing and painful.
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TERFs will try to blame trans people for this.
They're already blaming black people for it because the perpetrator happened to be black
"This never would've happened in my christian fascist dictatorship... The perpetrator should've been white!"
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How sure are we that she was attacked because she was perceived as trans? This could be a simple mugging.
EDIT- nevermind I actually read the article, this was a hate crime
It sounds like it was more of a general biggotry thing than Trans, specifically m
"This should have never happened just because I am the way I am, and it should have never happened just because I was just trying to use the bathroom. But I don’t want people to be scared to stand up for themselves because they think that someone will hurt them all the time,” she told LGBTQ Nation. “I want to be seen as someone that is strong because they tried to ruin my life, but instead, they ruined their own.”
Awful, just awful.
Y'all, don't go anywhere without some means of self-defense. A pocket stun gun costs $20, or if you live in a country where they're banned, carry a pocket corkscrew with a foil cutter on the end.
Stun guns, while potentially being intimidating to a lone attacker, are surprisingly ineffective if actually used for defense.
Pepper spray, specifically the type that uses a stream instead of a fine mist, is far more effective at stopping an attack and giving an opportunity to escape.
I recommend POM pepper spray, personally. The smaller versions are 50 state legal.
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