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[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 104 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Motherfucker, MLK literally applied for a concealed carry and was denied. There's a difference between civil disobedience and non-violence.

I understand not wanting fedposting, but you're beyond naive if you think reactionaries won't kill you if they think they can get away with it. We know this because they've already killed peaceful protesters. Heather Hayer is a notable example, along with the list of young black men who were leaders within BLM and died in not-so-mysterious circumstances.

I hate liberals so fucking much they're going to get us all killed because they think they can facts and logic concentration camp guards into not gassing us.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 44 points 3 days ago

Also the two people that Kyle Shittenhouse murdered and got away with.

[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago

trump-anguish You gave us zero excuse...

trump-death-note Which is convenient, since that's all the excuse we need!

[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 84 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Violence and talk of it will lose us allies fast.

The allies: liberalism maybe-later-honey capitalist-woke hillary not-listening libbing-out

[–] Philosoraptor@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I figured that was the old people at the end 😂

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Na, those were DNC attendees who literally plugged their ears to block out protesters reading the names of murdered Palestinian children as they entered the convention

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 days ago

Realized that later but in small form had to do double takes.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago

With allies like these, who needs people who’ll murder me

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago

hillary clinton is a true marxist revolutionary. dont you remember that tiktok she made where she said she was just chilling on a pile of bourgeois piggies and to pokemon go buy a gun and use it to kill your landlord? she said that

[–] WafflesTasteGood@hexbear.net 63 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's crazy how often MLK is used as some great example of peaceful protest when the guy was murdered by the FBI.

Seems like the non violent approach isnt very effective if the state will just kill you anyway for being too loud.

[–] Jenniferrr@hexbear.net 34 points 3 days ago

I mean, MLK was effective as one part of multiple movements. The black panthers existed at the same time and they played off each other.

[–] Lucien@mander.xyz 30 points 3 days ago

He was murdered by the FBI when he switched from talking exclusively about black liberation and began talking about intersectional communism with black liberation characteristics.

[–] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's not unique to non-violence, though. Fred Hampton was also murdered by the FBI.

I have a bit of a frustration with rigid ideological adherence to either non-violence or violence. The question is a tactical one and varies depending on the situation.

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

my opinion, nobody WANTS violence or strictly adheres to violence as the only tactic, but there has never been a single nonviolent revolution in history. nobody has ever argued their way out of slavery. nobody has debated or reasoned their way out of oppression

not every protest needs to be popping off but some certainly do and nobody will ever be free until we admit to ourselves that the capitalist state is committing violence, and self defense is not equivalent violence.

in the face of fascism, where we are now, i honestly think its super unhelpful for anyone to talk about nonviolence. there are fathers who got taken from their jobs and now they’re in a concentration camp, their kids don’t have a father or any contact etc.

we’re so passed the point of talking about nonviolence. i just dont see how it’s helpful at all.

people are pissed, there’s some seriously fucked up shit going on, and someone chiming in “but we cant be violent” isn’t helping anything or anyone but the people currently doing the actual violence (capitalists and their brownshirts)

[–] CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn@hexbear.net 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree with you, and I don't think anything you said negates the point I was trying to make to the person I was replying to.

and someone chiming in “but we cant be violent”

Couldn't be me shrug-outta-hecks

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 6 points 3 days ago

sorry friend didnt mean to sound like i was trying to give a counterpoint, more just trying to expand on what you said. wasn’t talking about you when i said people are chiming in about not being violent

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 52 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The "brought to you by coinbase" ad below had me losing my shit

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

It's all so ludicrous, it would be ridiculed if it was written and not reality

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 52 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Slapping the gun out of my comrades hands and singing history has its eyes on you as the DOGE death squad march us to the pit

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

And do they not realize that non-fascists have been the designated villain for decades?

An actual form of both Holocaust and Slavery denial is asking “why didn’t they fight back?” and if you do fight back they bust out this fake crying technique to leverage their social capital. This is a trick abusers of any flavor use any time their victims retaliate.

I’ll choose the nazis trying to pull the self-woobification. At least I can use that to question if they’re really as big and strong as they claim to be if they act like this when their weaker target puts their foot down.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 40 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It sounds like molotovs are OK though

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago
[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Lot of drama around the 50501 people now. Seems like it very easily got coopted by dems

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think it was coopted so much as the whole thing is the coopting to capture the energy and stop it from feeding the pro-Palestine movement and PSL or other leftist orgs.

[–] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 14 points 3 days ago

I've met several of the original organizers here in my city. They're libs but primed to be radicalized libs. The dems have swooped in. One of the drama items is most people are pro Palestine but several loud (also known feds) people have started arguments over "from the river to the sea" chants. There's some drama over trademark fuckery as well.

So yeah it was always pretty lib but there seems to be a concerted effort to neuter it as a pipeline and I don't think it started that way.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They were at fucking May Day protests the other day, should've beat them all with hammers

[–] GenerationII@lemm.ee 18 points 3 days ago

I went to my local Mayday event, and a group of Christians showed up an hour before the planned march and set up fucking booths and a stage with a band. My roommate and I stood in the back and yelled "Booooo"

[–] jack@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago

In some places. There are cities where it's been totally co-opted by the Dems via indivisible. In other cities, like mine, there is no 50501 without PSL. Others are still very contested territory.

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 5 points 3 days ago

any time i look at that subreddit i just see another long “hey guys mod here” post talking about how “this or that other 50501 group isnt the real one, it doesn’t represent our actual goals” etc etc. whole thing seems like libs just trying to out virtue signal each other hoping one of them will come out looking like the libbed up version of mlk jr

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I'm sick of these weak ass libs that will never do anything beyond holding a witty sign on the side of a road. I can come with several non-violent ways to fuck with the system and these idiots would rather deflate any potential for real change.

Call me when these people get the courage to block off an airport, disrupt an evangelical anti-LGBT service, storm a Republican party meeting, etc.

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

not joking but i think libs view shutting down traffic and airports as violence since its an attack on capital. any time anyone does some shit like that libs go on about “making people late to work isnt gonna get them on your side”.

they have no concept of actual resistance, they just know #resistance

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

They're libs because they still believe working within the system will change anything. They keep going from bad guy to new bad guy of the month and treat this like a soap opera.

[–] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

imagine thinking this administration needs an excuse.

also, lmao at specifically only naming guides/examples that were assassinated.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 10 points 3 days ago

4chan is the product of Amerikkkan “culture”, they don’t need justification anymore. They can just say “because I’m mean, teehee!” and the whole country will lap it up.

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 8 points 3 days ago

i do not understand how they can possibly still believe this naive bullshit as they see US citizens and legal residents being detained and deported by ICE

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Can these 50501ers just lay on the ground and die so I don't have to hear these :cracker: ?

Just hasan-stfu

[–] sweatersocialist@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

well laying down on the ground might block traffic and make for a successful protest

so no they cant do that

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago

The lib version of First They Came ends with the following:

Then they came for me
And I went quietly because this is a completely peaceful movement

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

@Frivolous_Beatnik@hexbear.net You wanna leave a blank comment for your avi on this one

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What allies do you lose when you talk about using guns?

[–] Civility@hexbear.net 11 points 3 days ago
[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

The martial law bogey man is corny as fuck when these hunger games-pilled centrists are already living in a regime that can do everything it wants with no resistance. What would """martial law""" (a term the average American has no definition for) affect them materially?