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Trump apparently had lots of farmer votes so aaahhww, I don't give a shit. Work 7 20 hour days per week, and I still won't care. Lose your farm? Aaahhh www, I don't give a shit.
Suffer the consequences from your actions
"Oh no! My exploited labor!" Fuck off. What's happening is atrocious, but not because these fuckers can't continue to underpay immigrants.
My SiL works with temporary foreign workers in Canada for one of the companies that is considered to be the best in how they treat their employees. Those workers are unionized and their employer had to limit them to 75h/week as they were asking to work even more than that... In a sense I kinda can understand them, they're here to work and don't know anyone except for their coworkers, some of whom they share an apartment with, and they don't speak the local language so might as well be paid all day instead of being at home in front of the TV waiting for your next shift...
What does that have to do with unrepresented immigrant laborers? Do you think they are really getting a union level wage?
What I'm saying is that even if these workers are not forced to work that many hours, they want to do it (as long as they're paid to do it). Even with a union they negotiated to work 75h and even wanted more and it was their employer that prevented it.
If somebody agrees to work for me at below minimum wage and seems enthusiastic about it, am I still exploiting them? What if I'm paying them $15/hr but no medical, 401k, or other benefits because it's under the table? Is it not exploitation, even if the person is happy to get the wage?
It seems a very different situation between legal, documented immigrants being represented by a legitimate job placement company, vs undocumented immigrants who are being paid unknown wages and have much less ability to negotiate.
Ok, but that has nothing to do with my original point which was simply that saying they're being exploited because they work so much when they're probably the ones who wanted to work 72h/week is ridiculous.
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I'm conflicted.
Making those poor bastards work 12 hour days, 6 days per week for small money is pretty fucked.
Sending them to somewhere that may be a death camp is worse tho.
Feels like the article set up a false dichotomy.
And it keeps all of our food prices lower, not that it's right.
You mean 7 days. Dairy farmimg is a 7 day a week job. Should know my dad was one.
Some factories run 24/7, yet individual workers do not have 24/7 shifts.
I have a dairy farm. A few years ago I asked my employees if we should add a third shift and do 8 hours instead of 12. They work hard, is seemed like a reasonable idea.
They hated that I even brought it up. They want money and they want to work. I was specifically told by one of my leads that if we were to go to 8 hours, they would work a shift and a half. I'm paying over the average rate for dairy work, and everyone gets vacation days based on tenure. And 90 percent of my employees will work their vacation days and take the paycheck. They don't want less hours. They have bills to pay and family to support and shorter hours are less money. Same as most Americans I know. I get it.
I'm not saying it is everyone, but the guys I work with have incredible work ethic and a priority to make money and get ahead in life. And I'm all for that.
What I'm tired of is my people being scared of American politics and the potential for their work and investment in this country to get ripped away on the whim of some scared Karens and the policies maga has enabled. I hate it.
They don’t want less hours. They have bills to pay and family to support and shorter hours are less money. Same as most Americans I know. I get it.
This isn't praise of how hard everyone wants to work. It's a damning sign of how shitty the pay and quality of life has gotten in the US.
Yep, people don't understand that these guys are moving temporarily to work, not to hang around and go on leisure walks or whatever (hell, they possibly rely on their employer to travel any kind of distance which in some cases means that they're stuck in a super rural location because they also live on the piece of land that they work on). I mentioned it in another comment but they might even want to work more than 72h and it might be their boss setting some limits.
What’s your starting and average per hour pay for them? And are they getting four hours of OT on those twelve hour shifts?
My lead feeder makes 75k a year. That's more than I take home for myself. I personally sponsored him to get a visa, as I have for over 20 of my other employees over the past five years.
The lower positions take home 160 a day to start. But there is a pay scale based on time employed, and vacation days accrue and improve based on tenure.
These are my employees, but they are also my neighbors and my friends. I go to their birthday parties and their kids graduations. The quincienetas and baby showers.
I know whose hard work and sweat makes my money, and I work along side them every day. I appreciate and try to return that in kind. We are all in this world together.
Nice, thank you for the circle back and additional information, that was interesting to read!
Your experience is like mine. I feel like all the conservatives that hate immigrants have never really hung out with them. Yes their cultures can be different but they are neat cultures. There are good and bad immigrants just like any other group of humans but they are overwhelmingly good on average.
Depending on jurisdiction OT might not be payable on time that isn't outside of their regular schedule. I used to work 12h shifts and by law it was ok because that's the schedule I was assigned and I agreed to, past that it would become overtime and after 4h of OT I could simply refuse to do more (by law).
So yeah, labor laws vary, keep that in mind.
Oh weird, I hadn’t realized that but guess I should have since nurses work 12 hour shifts too and don’t get OT for that. Thank for the info!
And in another jurisdiction it might be different, over here nurses in the french system do 8h shifts and then are paid OT but in the english system they work 12h shifts with no OT until they work more than that...
Yes, like trucking, agriculture is exempt from OT, not that some employers don't choose to still pay it.
Again, don't talk about labor laws as if they were the same everywhere, even in the US there's federal and state laws, in my case in Canada it's federal and provincial laws and OT exists in the agricultural sector outside of harvest season in my province (which doesn't apply to greenhouse work since it's always harvest season, so no OT in that sector unless it's not agricultural work you're asked to do)...
My bad, it's federally exempt in the US. The map here is clickable and has state-by-state laws. https://www.farmworkerjustice.org/overtime-map/
This story isn't about can Canadian jobs.
If you read again and pay attention this time you'll realize that I mentioned the US and gave a Canadian example of agricultural labor laws because the same logic applies, it's not centralized in the federal government's hands.
MAGA can take those hours. I mean, those are the jobs they want right?!
No, that's the shit you make the kids do. If they go to school instead, they might not vote Republican.
They're also gonna arrest the owners of those farms right?? They clearly broke the law and were harboring illegals. Right? Right?
The owners probably voted for Trump.
If undocumented workers start to talk about unions or working conditions, then you can call in ICE. Once the troublemakers are gone, hire another round of workers, rinse and repeat.
"Dey took ur jerbs!" 😡
"Ew, not those jerbs." ✋😒
Just round up the nearest magats who are on welfare to replace this guy's lost labor. Pretty easy they like rounding up people anyway.
They were talking about income requirements for social security. Time to make gamgam go back to the good ole days and work on tge farm again!