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I've started seeing various stories of people in the media speaking out in support of Palestine and being swiftly fired. I'm very curious if the current state of propaganda is going to increase the chance of people working in non-public facing jobs of also being fired and branded anti-Semitic. I'm scared of this coming up in the workplace because I don't think I'd be able to keep my mouth shut and I could absolutely see certain people starting shit.

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[–] posthexbearposting@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Outside of no-cause firing being legal, USA has a bunch of cooked laws suppressing criticism of israel. I would be just as careful as talking about unions as talking about israel in the workplace. watch out for snitches and bosses. test the water first.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i know hypocrisy is a dead meme but freeze-peach folks where you at?

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[–] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

I could also see someone being fired with cause because they were reported to HR for being anti-semitic.

I’d tread very carefully and I don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze. You’re unlikely to change any minds in the workplace.

[–] Bnova@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My main coworker who I interact with the most is a half Chinese half Palestinian leftist so it's pretty rare for us not to be shouting about Zionist or Westerners getting what they deserve.

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

inshallah I will be back in Johannesburg soon enough and no longer have to conceal being on the right side of history anymore.

[–] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It is against the law in some states to criticize Israel. I am not making this up. It is a fireable offense.

I was awarded a project at a VA hospital and the contract had explicit language that any parties involved are not to participate or endorse any BDS action against Israel.

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Probably very high. I overheard some boxes of saltine crackers talking about it in Estonian, with the usual Redditbrain talking points (minus the overt pro-apartheid) coping about how Hamas is solely at fault, sabotaged a peace deal, war crime, etc.

Of course I can't say anything because I'm this one guy from South Africa who constantly wears a keffiyeh and is capable of material/historic analysis. Hell, HR already looks at me with suspicion for "harbouring anti-NATO views".

:estonia-cool:

[–] BongMasterFlash@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Didn't expect to see an Estonian comrade on here. Estonians are actually next-level NATO/state dept bootlickers.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

some boxes of saltine crackers

I would like to know more about this insult, it’s very funny to me for some reason.

[–] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

It's basically a more advanced form of "cracker", I just came up with this on the spot some time ago.

Like calling someone a "tool". And then there's calling someone a "toolbox", a step up.

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

It's a salty cracker cracker

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

There was someone who posted asking for Estonian Marxist perspectives at one point, maybe you should check that thread out

[–] flan@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i wouldnt be surprised if this is happening. Personally I'm going to keep my mouth shut in places where i'm not anonymous because losing my job right now would be pretty bad.

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[–] kristina@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If you're worried about this you should be unionizing

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some states have anti BDS laws that they require unionized, state employees to sign

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

state unions are the most defanged kind of union tho

and its kinda their fault for letting it happen

[–] footfaults@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Complacency is corrosive

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Anti-union laws in Texas… death to America… :wail:

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's illegal in 35/50 US states lol unions ain't stopping that

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

No, they do actually stop that

[–] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because we're unionized...

Our work place had a free Palestine rally.

[–] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

Id be fired as fuck lmao theres pro israel shit all over the slack channels and whatnot.

We also have business ties and people in ukraine

Death to amerikkka

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

High, and honestly unless you are a high profile politician or journalist, would you really achieve anything arguing with your libs coworkers eager to rat you so you stop talking about unionizing?

Yes, I know the Mao quote, don't need to repeat me I'm a liberal

[–] eXAt@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I understand the point of the Mao quote but I’m gonna be honest my social life has drastically improved since I stopped being so “zealous”

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[–] centof@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I would just limit myself to stick with fact.

From 2000-2022, The death toll for the conflict was ~10.5k Palestinians vs ~1k Isrealis. https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/

Considering this fact, it is not surprising some Palestinians are willing to go to extreme measures to get revenge.

[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Thing is this won't work on most people. They'll see those numbers and be like "well they're terrorists, and also Hamas uses human shields." They will always find a way to justify Israel.

[–] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

"Damn, Hamas must be pretty dumb then, continuing to use that tactic, even after the IDF has repeatedly demonstrated willingness to shoot through them without hesitation."

[–] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Considering this fact, it is not surprising some Palestinians are willing to go to extreme measures to get revenge.

Or perhaps that they are exceedingly desperate to gain ground

[–] itsPina@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Depends where you live. Amerikkka it's probably not a safe bet to talk about this stuff openly. 35/50 US states have "anti-bds" laws meaning you can be fired for protesting Israel, even cooler you can't be hired as a state employee if you protest Israel. Muh first amendment tho

[–] Othello@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

me and my partner thought about that, i dont worry too much but he does (he makes all our money lol) so he covered his face at the protest (we both did, but thats for covid reasons). but generally I dont really have a problem with this stuff, ive been an open communist at my job from day one, and will talk about it in the office all the time, you can say anything if youre too good at your job lol. when ever theres a world event everyone at work messages me for my take anyway lol.

[–] Mindfury@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just quote Jose Mourinho and refuse to elaborate or answer any following questions

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

If I speak I am in trouble?

[–] Lerios@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

yesterday my dad called and brought up the current situation in palestine - not to talk about palestine, but specifically to tell me not to mention it (or any of my beliefs) at my new job. shits fucked.

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[–] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Who's gotten fired publicly?

[–] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

lmao I thought you were kidding

The only thing she did was rightfully call the Palestinian fighters "freedom fighters", too.

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lmao Americans have zero right to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t terrorism

[–] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

That’s not fair, they’re experts on terrorism! ;P

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She also upset the vertical video defenders

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

2 good takes in one tweet, good for her.

[–] Pisha@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

In Germany, the freelance journalist Malcolm Ohanwe got blacklisted by the state-funded broadcasters and he's not the first PoC to whom this has happened.

[–] RonPaulyShore@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

a philly 76ers beat writer got canned.

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 year ago

Finkelstein? I am not sure if he counts.

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