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What changed is that mayo Americans uncritically repeat whatever narrative is fed to them by CNN/NBC
woah woah woah, you're describing what hasn't changed 
Im probably preaching to the choir here but isn't it actually that people are simply creduluous babes and think whatever narrative the media tells them?
I suspect if MSM flipped the narrative on who the 'villains' were most folks would go along.
Some might not even notice the change
thesis: the burger reich is white supremacist
antithesis: the burger reich is credulous media-believers with goldfish memory
synthesis: i believe that the burger reich is both white supremacist AND uncritical of media narratives
So much of the rhetoric is completely divorced from any material condition. It isn't as though 
picking Team Israel or Team Palestine have any skin in the game. They've just ingested a certain set of media images and narrative, then repeat them uncritically.
Nothing the folks online do has any IRL impact on the conflict (with the possible exception of some geriatric fucks in the US Senate who will inevitably green-light nuking Gaza to save Jerusalem). Its all just posturing and heckling and getting off on the news of the day.
Even if we are all just a bunch of freaky stupid fascists, who cares? We don't control anything happening on the other side of the planet. Never did.
Even if we are all just a bunch of freaky stupid fascists, who cares? We don't control anything happening on the other side of the planet. Never did.
Obviously the american proletariat is very far from the levers of power, but I would say the petit-bourgeoisie and the clergy and the police and the types of "proletarians" who work for companies like raytheon are all a bit closer to the levers of power than the average american proletarian, and what they think probably does have some kind of measurable impact on foreign policy. Though how much exactly I don't know.
the petit-bourgeoisie and the clergy and the police and the types of "proletarians" who work for companies like raytheon are all a bit closer to the levers of power than the average american proletarian
Collectively, perhaps. But its not like there's a body of Raytheon Engineer Priest-Cops with a single coherent policy. Everyone is fragmented and commodities and constantly in fear of being replaced.
If we had a functional AFL-CIO that was staunchly pro-Israel, you could pin some blame there. But we don't even have that
Collectively, perhaps. But its not like there's a body of Raytheon Engineer Priest-Cops with a single coherent policy.
reactionaries don't need to be coherent to be footsoldiers of fascism. The KKK, the black hundreds, the SA, the proud boys, etc. All these groups can seem incoherent at times, and are different from each other in a lot of ways, but they still ultimately serve reactionary ends. The same is true of the cops, the clergy, the troops, etc.
Everyone is fragmented and commodities and constantly in fear of being replaced.
that helps bolster reactionary ideology as well. It's why we have false consciousness everywhere.
Yeah, the average individual denouncing the actions of Hamas are reacting to headlines that describe them as terrorists and child murderers.
"They have a right to freedom, but they shouldn't be killing innocent people"
If MSM rightfully framed it as a rebellion against an ongoing effort to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine, then I highly doubt you'd hear quite this many people spouting totally uninformed drivel in support of Israel.
This has probably been said better by others, but if you understand the Ukraine Conflict as a continuation of the Donbass War, you'll see that Western support for Ukraine and Israel both stem from the same belief in the right to occupy and annex.
this post was submitted on 09 Oct 2023
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