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[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago
[–] gearheart@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago

Dude is saying he can't be expected to smuggle him back into the u.s.

He didn't have any complaints smuggling him into El Salvador.

[–] Angry_Owl@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dude read the fucking article and look at the pictures.

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[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is my theory too. He’s dead, and the administration doesn’t want to openly admit that an innocent man was murdered because of their racism.

[–] Angry_Owl@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

The current US Administration murdered Mr. Garcia.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Sadly, you can.

Friend died recently. I know you can.

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Did anyone actually think they'd let him see anything? Why would they.

I'm not naive enough to think he's still alive but that's beside the point.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Did seriously no one bother reading the article? There are pictures of him meeting with the senator.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Embarrassing yourself a bit here mate. There are no pictures of him in this article.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

There are several pictures. Your adblocker's filters might be a bit too aggressive.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Van Hollen went to El Salvador to visit Garcia but was initially denied access.

Reuters published this article, the subject of this post, saying as much. There are no pictures of Garcia in this article.

My comment, that you originally responded to, was posted with reference to this article, before anything else happened.

A few hours later Van Hollen was allowed to interview Garcia. Various news outlets have published articles about that meeting and those articles include photos of Van Hollen meeting with Garcia.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 1 points 23 hours ago

Whatever, man. You clearly care about this more than I do, so ✌️

[–] vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think he is still alive. Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.

Even if he's still alive, though, there's a 0% chance he, or anyone else Trump sends there, will ever come out of CECOT while Bukele or Trump is still in power. It would completely undermine so much about their regimes at this point. They are using CECOT as the ever present existential threat against opposition. It's supposed to be a black hole people go into and never leave. They can't let anyone out ever or it proves that people can get out. They don't want anyone to believe that is possible. They can't let anyone believe that is possible or it'll breed massive opposition in both countries.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.

This agreement makes no sense. Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?

Loyalty from the gang members still inside.

Amazingly, gang leaders are very often able to operate even while in prison. And of course, there's possible hits inside of the prison system that need to be "taken care of" by members inside.

Prisons are just an extension, basically, for gang life.

I take one issue who you're replying to: Violent crime will go up, but first, there will be massive dollars on Bukake's head.

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[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 198 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah that man is in pieces already

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 148 points 3 days ago (10 children)

That place has literally never released a prisoner...

The place isn't huge, and lots of people get there sent there.

But no one ever comes out.

I don't think anyone can be returned from there because they put zero effort in keeping records of who is who, it's a death camp.

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[–] Ickabod@lemm.ee 113 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That dude is dead. They are hiding it

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[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 158 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Tourism makes up 11% of El Salvador's GDP.

Sounds like that should change too.

[–] BoulevardBlvd@lemmy.blahaj.zone 111 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

I mean I guess but I'm more disturbed by the fact that they have so much tourism given the fact they've had concentration camps for years

Who the fuck was going to El Salvador?

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 110 points 3 days ago (15 children)

When/if the judge starts arresting people involving, the charges need to be for murder. If they can prove that he's alive, the charges can be lowered to abduction and attempted murder, plus everything. Throw the fucking book at them, and find a way to make it not federal, pardonable charges.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 57 points 3 days ago

The state attorney general can file charges at the state level. There is no way the people who snatched the guy had a valid arrest warrant. These are just Proud Boys and Oath Keepers with badges given to them by Trump for being racists.

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Tbh this is a less bad outcome than I was concerned this was going to have (after letting him in to the prison: “Uh oh, looks like your president thinks you’re a gang member. You can just chill here forever.”)

[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 69 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sadly, I don’t think he’s ever going to be seen again, I hope against hope that I am wrong, but that he is no longer alive is the only reason I can think of that would make them not only refuse to allow anyone to visit, but deny him passage home.

[–] oppy1984@lemm.ee 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Him being dead wouldn't be the only reason. If he's allowed back to the U.S. he'd be subject to our laws about treatment of prisoners and there's a good chance he would get word out about how bad it is in that south American concentration camp. They know they can't let that happen.

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[–] suddenlyme@lemm.ee 60 points 2 days ago (5 children)

a lot of people here are saying he's dead, but the press aren't. Why?

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's just speculation, but they're saying it because nobody has ever been released from CECOT. It's not unlikely that they are just murdering the inmates and pocketing the money that the United States is giving them, or not sufficiently protecting inmates from violence between other inmates.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (19 children)

There is no press anymore, they have capitulated. All you have are recorders and interpreters that push whatever Trump wants or they get banned/prosecuted.

Standard behaviour in a Fascist regime which is what the USA became under trump

Side note: We now have confirmation that a heavily armed population providers deplorable stats on violence and school shootings while doing exactly nothing to prevent the rise of tyranny... well done USA

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[–] krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The press are broadly beholden to journalistic standards that require multiple sources to corroborate something as fact before publishing it. Us regular jack offs have no such limitations.

As to why people are speculating that he's dead? For one, the place does appear to be a literal death camp. Also, officials in the Administration have admitted he was deported "in error" (though there have been conflicting statements over this and at least one firing). Since any sane person would want to fix a mistake of this magnitude, you could see why them refusing to might make people wonder.

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Because they're all afraid of reprisals from the trump regime

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 61 points 3 days ago (7 children)

I don't understand what justification El Salvador has for keeping a man imprisoned who never broke any of their laws. Can I pay them to hold my neighbour in prison? How much does it cost?

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I bet he’s in this pile

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