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[–] BullishUtensil@lemmy.world 51 points 4 days ago

There are two schools of thought:

Those who want as good life as possible, and Those who want to have a better life than everyone else, no matter what.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 309 points 5 days ago (18 children)

I love how one person cites a statistic, and another person just dismisses it as false because of their anecdotal experience.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 97 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sounds like every online platform ever.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 60 points 5 days ago (4 children)
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[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago (4 children)

This is how most people think and see the world, which is why we (the US) are in the boat we're in now. People don't see the big picture if they never have to or aren't taught how to think critically.

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

If these people were good at critical thinking, they wouldn't have these stupid fucking opinions to begin with.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And I've never heard of a contract that explicitly ties non-union workers' pay to the union contact, but I'd be cheering the union guys on if they ever asked for a raise if that was the case.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's actually more common than you think. It's not explicit.

My niece who works at a very popular coffee shop where some are unioned, the non-union ones get paid a bit extra and reminded on the daily about that benefit of higher pay for being non-unioned.

And my aunt works as a receptionist in a non-union hospital. Her counterparts in a union, when they went on strike and got a huge pay bump... She suddenly "mysteriously" got a pay bump aligned with it because the non-union hospital was afraid of employees unionizing (which secretly, they were).

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[–] varjen@lemmy.world 117 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Together we bargain, alone we beg.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This needs to be on a fucking t-shirt.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Sure. Have your pro Union T-shirt. And what better place to buy it from than

https://www.amazon.com/Union-Workers-Bargain-Collectively-T-Shirt/dp/B08XHYS16W

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[–] ExistentialCrispies@lemm.ee 10 points 3 days ago

Well 50 cents are enough for cathy to forget her mathy

Lol the fact that she even has a contract at all is because of unions.

[–] PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works 207 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I live in California, so there was a lot of bemoaning the rising minimum wage.

“Why should someone flipping burgers earn as much as I do in a trade field?”

Mate, you should be arguing for increased wages, not trying to keep others down.

[–] Flames5123@sh.itjust.works 44 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Seattle metro area has the highest minimum wage in the country. The top 5 cities in the US are all in this metro. This is because when the wage increases were passed by city, they were tied to the inflation rate so that increases every year, so no new laws have to be passed year over year to get this increase. No arguing every year for a simple cost of living adjustment.

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fucking thank you! Why is this so complicated?? Why fight for $15 or whatever if you know by the time your get the fucking laws past your dollar is worth half as much.

It's so transparently flawed to because tying minimum wage to a formula/basket/col/astrology FFS, Would mean not having to revisit this fight every. Single. Year.

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago

Mate, you should be arguing for increased wages, not trying to keep others down.

It’s my opinion that people like this aspire to be their own boss, make their own money, and look up to business owners as mentors.

None of that is inherently wrong, until the mentors/business owners start espousing the evils of increased wages, how paying taxes is preventing pay raises for their workers, etc.

So not knowing any better, these wannabes go out and parrot what they’ve heard their heroes say as if it’s gospel. And of course the talking heads that they listen to say the same shit, further solidifying the class warfare mentality.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 41 points 4 days ago (1 children)

When somebody insists, "X doesn't matter because my salary depends on X," it's time to stop beating your head against a wall to teach them anything.

[–] Alaknar@lemm.ee 3 points 3 days ago

Nah, nah, you see - I had an excellent breakfast today. Clearly that means world hunger doesn't exist! Checkmate, leftist!

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The fact that Cathy has a blue check mark proves Twitter is fucking stupid.

[–] Someone64@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well it doesn’t mean what it used to anymore. Now you just pay for a subscription and you get it. Hell, I don’t know why you ever thought the check mark pre-Musk ever meant anything other than somebody’s identity being verified as true judging by what you’re saying... Never meant that their opinions were Twitter approved or whatever.

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[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 150 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Cathy is a dumbass. Don't be like Cathy.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 80 points 5 days ago (4 children)

That’s up there with refusing raises to avoid going up a tax bracket.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I will forgive people who were previously had a low enough income to have benefits that magically disappeared completely at a certain threshold when they received a raise for assuming that making too much money could be a negative. They generally never made enough to understand how tax brackets work and assumed the worst.

If it is explained to them and they refuse to learn, that is on them.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 116 points 5 days ago (7 children)

"your statistic is false because I have an anecdote" is literally the entire basis of the conservative understanding of science.

union workers don't make more on average because I earn half a dollar more.

global warming isn't happening because I brought a snowball.

vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 24 points 5 days ago

vaccines cause death because my friend walked out of a clinic after a shot and got hit by a self driving tesla.

😂

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 19 points 4 days ago

My company acquired a division that had a great union and we all got more vacation days. Woot!

[–] auginator@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago

I got higher at position as senior. But It wasn’t until I was able to join the Union that my income doubled. Year before I joined like in 2007 manager gave me a .10 raise. This shit is real.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 69 points 5 days ago (154 children)

How is it even legal to have explicitly preferential pay for people not in a union? Is there a limit to that, or can companies just say, "Anyone who joins a union will be paid minimum wage." Ofc with at-will employment they can always just fire you, but like, if you think about it it's pretty fucked up right?

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (12 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if the union has other benefits that more then make up for the 50 cents, e.g. better medical, vacation, or whatever.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 49 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Man I was sad as shit when Nina Turner lost. Bernie Sanders backed her up too.

[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I think she's running again. I was at a UAW conference last week and Nina Turner spoke there. I think she's trying to drum up support for another run.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I hope she doesn't give up and wins this time

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[–] slappypantsgo@lemm.ee 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Pretty soon we won’t be able to trust BLS data, which is frightening.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

The BLS data has historically been a method by which capitalists measured and managed labor power as a fungible resource. It has historically been a tool of capital to evaluate the influence of policy on labor, not a tool of labor to pressure capital for concessions.

Not to say the information isn't valuable on its face. But it should be worth recognizing that we are looking at autocannibalization of capital. The people most injured by dismantling the BLS are the people who do the bulk of the hiring, not the people being hired.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Cathy do the mathy. Missed opportunity

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago (2 children)

"Rising waters lifts all ships", Cathy. Ever heard of it?

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 53 points 5 days ago

This is what Swedish unions did even more directly. A company hired labour from Latvia I think it was. The union showed up and said that thats all fine, but you have to pay them properly. None of them were members. They picketed the company for the sake of non-members wages. Why? To avoid social dumping down the line.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 44 points 5 days ago

This doesn't even need to be in your contract. When union shops get a raise, non-union shops either have to compete, or lose their best labour.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Net income is a small factor. One should compare the total package because the unions are usually way ahead of the non-union.

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