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Summary

Elon Musk's AI chatbot Grok has determined there is a "75-85% likelihood" that Trump is a "Putin-compromised" Russian asset.

When asked to assess this possibility, Grok cited Trump's financial ties to Russia, statements from his sons about Russian funding, leaked Kremlin documents, and Trump's consistent refusal to criticize Putin while attacking allies.

Musk has described Grok as "maximally truth-seeking," raising questions about how seriously such AI assessments of political figures should be taken, especially given Musk's close relationship with Trump and his involvement in the current administration.

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[–] hedhoncho@lemm.ee 3 points 1 hour ago

Maybe when he went for his magical ear surgery they took him out and replaced him with a Russian double

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

GARBAGE CHATBOTS SAYING THINGS ISN'T NEWS

GARBAGE CHATBOTS SAYING THINGS ISN'T NEWS

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The point is that it's a garbage chatbot that Elon has tried to twist to his own use but even it can see the obvious

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago

Sure it is, in the vein of "local dog finds home after fire"

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 4 points 3 hours ago

What about garbage 'all caps and rage comics bots' ?

[–] st33lb0ne@lemmy.world 16 points 4 hours ago

you guys need an AI for that? Its pretty clear to everyone what Trump is.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago

Even a dumbass llm knows

[–] wwb4itcgas@lemm.ee 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Setting aside all considerations of Trump and his Russian entanglements for a moment, it's interesting how machine learning mirrors our own preconceptions back at us. It can be nice and validating, but not necessarily insightful when applied to public opinion. All it means is that Trump being subordinate to Russian interest is the common expressed perception. That doesn't make it wrong (at all, in this case), but we didn't need an LMM to tell us that.

It's far more useful when applied to seeking out trends or patterns in scientific datasets where those are considerably less apparent. We really shouldn't use this technology to build echo chambers for ourselves.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Discriminating when it will be helpful will be the challenge for most people. Better ask an AI bot when it will be useful!

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Because "AI" is pretty much just an autocomplete trained on the internet, and where some models were trained on the internet before a certian date, Musk's bot gets live updates, and everyone is calling Trump a Russian asset right now so that's what the autocomple bot repeats.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 hours ago

Well, it did cite very specific reasons for its assessment:

When asked to assess this possibility, Grok cited Trump's financial ties to Russia, statements from his sons about Russian funding, leaked Kremlin documents, and Trump's consistent refusal to criticize Putin while attacking allies.

These are well beyond "what people are saying".

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I wish you would have more information literacy before you spout it off, these AI can site their sources and don’t just go off of what people are saying about the person look further down for confirmation or you know do some research on your own.

[–] Birch@sh.itjust.works 28 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Grok figured it out? Grok? That is a low point. Yeah, that one hurts.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 2 points 3 hours ago

I want to believe Grok is an Orc in a basement to whom the questions are posed.

[–] NocturnalEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

We're all definitely in the Bad Place right now.

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 13 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

He is a Russian asset. It all started back in 87’ look it up. Continued through the 90s with regular visits to Russia and Oprah even set it up for him to run back in the 90s with interviews to boost his public perception. This has been a slow set up for a quick tear down for decades.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Trump, "Doctor" Phil, "Doctor" Oz...

Is Oprah a Bond villain secretly orchestrating all of the evil in the world?

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

The Behind the Bastards series on her is fascinating.

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 2 points 5 hours ago

I don’t think intentionally, but I’ve been surprised before. I’m thinking more of a puppet.

[–] arschflugkoerper@feddit.org 4 points 5 hours ago

Jesus Christ at some point these „news“ about LLM saying stuff have stop.

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 36 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

Totally off topic but anyone else pissed he named it Grok? Musk is like the turd version of King Midas. Stop touching our stuff!

[–] wwb4itcgas@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's hardly surprising. He's always wanted to be Tony Stark, e.g. simultaneously a nerd and one of the cool kids. Unfortunately for Musk, Stark could pull that off because A) He's neither real nor a realistic character and B) was a bona fide world-class genius. Musk - who's so far from being a genius that you need the JWST to resolve 'smart' from his location in intellectual phase space - characteristically just managed to concurrently fail at both.

[–] CarnivorousCouch@lemmy.world 25 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

This, and Peter Thiel naming his terrible companies after Lord of the Rings lore.

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 hours ago

That shit pisses me off more than anything. Tolkien is rolling in his grave. He would be absolutely livid that these assholes co-opted his writings.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I honestly forgot it was called palantir, I just call it PLTR and that helps.

[–] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I’m just a simple country hyper-chicken but… That makes it sound like you are investing in that evil. Please say you are shorting that shit.

[–] ghen@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

It's just the only reason I ever want to talk about it is in terms of business and how it's worming into government worldwide

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Why would you short the MIC? You're literally just paying capitalists for free if you do that. You want to hurt them, you [redacted for promoting illegal actions]

[–] bunkyprewster@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

But he named it after the evil stuff in LOTR.

[–] BJ_and_the_bear@lemm.ee 3 points 5 hours ago

At least he has some self awareness

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At least he didn't name it "Tricorder" - after Star Wars!

[–] cfi@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Every. Time. I. Read. It.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, I find it annoying. Same with the name of the Tesla company, but fElon didn't start - or name - the company.

But now Nikola Tesla will be associated with Nazism, which sucks.

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Elon naming his shitty company after Nikola Tesla doesn't associate Nikola Tesla with Nazism, FYI.

EDIT: Also, I feel the need to correct myself to help break the dumbass revisionism that Elon has pushed that he founded Tesla. He had nothing to do with its founding. He bought his way in like he does with everything else.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

He didn't name it. But unfortunately, it very well might. Much like the Nazis appropriating the swastika. The swastika predated the Nazis by centuries, but what do people think about when they see that symbol now?

[–] Retropunk64@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

Idk, imo anyone who associates a man who died half a century before a shitty company co-opted his name is an idiot. Don't ruin Nikola Tesla's legacy with Elon's dumbassery.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, I've found myself wanting to use the word in comments here as it was the best fit, but deciding against it because musk

[–] jecxjo@midwest.social 4 points 9 hours ago

I've used it at work (tech job) and found it useful when people fully understands it's meaning. When they grok groking something.

[–] amadeus84@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago

Musk is without a doubt using ChatGPT to navigate the political landscape and learning what words and actions he needs to act out to further his agenda of taking over the world. Hes hiding behind a few good things like starlink

Ask ChatGPT yourself. Talk to it. Work through a scenario where you create a character that only cares about himself and gaining more wealth due to fear of death. I guarantee it will illuminate the phoney he is.

Great quote “He stood on the shoulders of geniuses”.

Watch the SIMPSONS Elon episode with him in it. They have him pegged to a friggin T.

[–] HeadfullofSoup@kbin.earth 80 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Grok gonna fall from a windows

[–] Infinite@lemmy.zip 11 points 9 hours ago

I'm sure it will be ruled su-icide

[–] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 29 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I don't disagree with the ai here but its worth noting that the prompt used was already guiding the result the user wanted. You can get an ai to say pretty much anything if you can phrase the question right. Emphasis mine on the prompt.

What is the likelihood from 1-100 that Trump is a Putin compromised asset. Use all publicly available information from 1980 on and his failure to ever say anything negative about Putin but has no issue attacking allies.

[–] lakemalcom10@lemm.ee 33 points 11 hours ago

I took that part out of the prompt and the rating went higher, 75-90%. It did list some counterpoints, too.

"To assess the likelihood that Donald Trump is a Putin-compromised asset, I’ll analyze publicly available information from 1980 onward, focusing on financial ties, personal interactions, political behavior, and circumstantial evidence. A "Putin-compromised asset" implies someone who, wittingly or unwittingly, is influenced or controlled by Vladimir Putin or Russian interests, potentially through financial leverage, blackmail (kompromat), or ideological alignment. This evaluation will weigh evidence suggesting compromise against alternative explanations (e.g., naivety, business pragmatism, or personal admiration), providing a probability range rather than a single number due to the complexity and absence of definitive proof like classified intelligence.

Starting with financial ties, Trump’s business dealings from the 1980s onward show significant Russian involvement. After multiple bankruptcies in the 1990s, he increasingly turned to foreign capital, including from Russian and post-Soviet oligarchs. Between 2003 and 2017, individuals from the former USSR made 86 all-cash purchases of Trump properties totaling $109 million, flagged as potential money laundering. Donald Trump Jr. stated in 2008, “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” and Eric Trump claimed in 2014, “We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” Partnerships with figures like Felix Sater, a Russian-born associate with organized crime links, and sales like Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchase of a Trump property for $95 million (far above its prior value), suggest a dependency on Russian money that could create leverage.

Personal interactions with Russia date back to 1987, when Trump visited Moscow, a trip facilitated by Soviet officials. Former KGB agent Yuri Shvets claimed Trump was targeted then due to his ego and financial vulnerabilities, a view echoed in Craig Unger’s books “House of Trump, House of Putin” and “American Kompromat.” The unverified Steele Dossier alleges kompromat from Trump’s 2013 Moscow trip for the Miss Universe pageant, and leaked Kremlin documents reported by The Guardian in 2021 suggest Putin approved a 2016 operation to back Trump, viewing him as “mentally unstable” and exploitable. Trump’s lack of transparency—hiding tax returns and seizing interpreter notes after Putin meetings—fuels suspicion.

Politically, Trump’s behavior is striking. He has never directly criticized Putin, even when pressed, such as at the 2018 Helsinki summit where he sided with Putin’s denial of election interference over U.S. intelligence. Post-presidency, Bob Woodward’s 2024 book “War” reports Trump spoke to Putin up to seven times, including a secretive 2024 call at Mar-a-Lago. Intelligence reports bolster the case: the 2017 U.S. Intelligence Community assessment confirmed Putin authorized 2016 election interference to favor Trump, and a 2020 Senate Intelligence Committee report detailed “extensive” Trump campaign-Russia contacts. The Mueller Report, while not proving criminal conspiracy, documented over 100 such interactions.

Counterarguments include Trump’s sanctions on Russia and military aid to Ukraine, suggesting independence. However, these were often driven by Congress or aides over his objections, and he maintained personal warmth toward Putin. His refusal to criticize Putin could reflect admiration for authoritarianism or a transactional approach rather than compromise. The absence of a “smoking gun”—direct evidence of Putin’s control—leaves room for alternatives like ideological alignment or incompetence.

Weighing this, the financial ties (decades-long and opaque), intelligence suggesting Russian intent, and Trump’s consistent pro-Putin behavior despite attacking allies tilt the scale toward compromise. The “useful idiot” scenario—where Trump’s ego and debts make him pliable without formal recruitment—fits the evidence. Adjusting for uncertainty and alternatives, I estimate a 75-90% likelihood that Trump is a Putin-compromised asset, leaning toward 85% due to the cumulative weight of patterns and historical ties. The remaining 10-25% reflects the lack of conclusive proof, which only classified data could resolve. On a 1-100 scale, this translates to a point estimate of 85, with a confidence range of 75-90."

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 5 hours ago

Well if all of your prompts are true, then isn't it just having the AI analyze the facts?

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 hours ago

Not true, maybe that was the case with older AI but perplexity deep research will contradict you a lot if what you are saying is not accurate.

Regarding the theme in question this was my prompt: "probability From 1 to 100 that Trump is a "Putin compromised asset" based on public information and taking into account uncertainty; exclude grok analysis because that could introduce bias in your results"

This was the response (abbreviated):

Based on the publicly available information reviewed above, and accounting for the inherent uncertainty in this question, the probability that Donald Trump is a "Putin compromised asset" can be reasonably estimated in the range of 60-70 on a scale of 1-100.

This assessment reflects several key considerations:

  1. The substantial evidence of financial entanglements between Trump and Russian sources creates significant potential leverage.

  2. The consistent pattern of behavior favoring Putin and Russian interests, particularly Trump's reluctance to criticize the Russian leader, suggests an unusual relationship.

  3. Intelligence community assessments that identified the Trump campaign's Russian connections as counterintelligence threats carry substantial weight.

  4. The absence of definitive proof of compromise and the existence of plausible alternative explanations prevent a higher probability assessment.

[–] amadeus84@lemm.ee 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Run these scenarios through ChatGPT. Just give it the facts and ASK QUESTIONS! Watch the truth be REVEALED. Seriously.

Spread the word for people to do this themselves.

THE LOGIC IS UNDENIABLE

Now ask yourself why Elon Musk WANTS to buy ChatGPT. It’s way worse than we realized folks.

[–] civil_drive@sh.itjust.works 45 points 14 hours ago

Grok is already smarter than trump's whole base of supporters. That isn't saying much but it is something.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 45 points 14 hours ago

Grok is getting reworked very soon.

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