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Data on search engine market share is available, but I wonder what that looks like for Lemmy users in particular, who I would assume lean more technical than the average user, so probably use DuckDuckGo and alternates more than Google.

I use a mix of DuckDuckGo and Kagi. I'll also use ChatGPT, which can be good if you're careful to verify the answers it gives you as a check against hallucinations. It's useful for short, direct answers without ads or SEO bullshit.

This article on Ars (and if you're not a subscriber, you absolutely should be, as they are the best tech journalists out there) inspired the question: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/google-admits-reddit-protests-make-it-harder-to-find-helpful-search-results

Fucking Reddit. Enshittification ruins everything.

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[-] ian@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 11 months ago

https://www.marginalia.nu/

Currently down for updates, but does a great job of avoiding SEO abuse/blog spam/etc. Takes you back to the earlier days of the internet when it felt like there were more forums/individual sites/etc. They’re still out there, just hidden under all the junk.

[-] bill@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Thanks I look forward to trying this.

[-] kamen@beehaw.org 4 points 11 months ago

I've been using DuckDuckGo as my main search engine for the past couple of years. I occasionally fall back to Google.

[-] Keesrif@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

I was in this camp but find that the results I've gotten from DDG have been notably worse for the last year or so, to the point that I don't expect useful results to come out of it any more at this point. Even if I searched "site name" because I couldn't remember the URL was spelled "site-name.com" I've had no results coming from DDG, while Google had it as the first hit.

Have you experienced something similar? Are there techniques or workarounds I'm not aware of?

[-] kamen@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

Sadly, yes, and instances like this have me falling back to Google. I'd happily try something else, but I'm a bit at a loss right now. What would you suggest as another search engine to try?

[-] Jarmer@vlemmy.net 1 points 11 months ago

I honestly haven't noticed this. I can almost always find what I'm looking for with a general ddg search. Interesting.

[-] yousefsh98@mstdn.games 3 points 11 months ago
[-] Klinkertinlegs@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

I use DuckDuckGo. Including using their browser on iOS and windows.

[-] lentilhoarder@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Thanks for making me aware of Kagi, I've been trialing it and getting decent results is a breath of fresh air in a world of blogspam and LLM garbage.

[-] mollusk@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 11 months ago

I run my own searx instance

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[-] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

I've been using Ecosia for a while and liking it. I think the results are usually better than Google and the image search is way more useful, still gives you direct links to the image files. Though most importantly I like planting trees.

[-] LordChaos82@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

I use my selfhosted Whoogle instance for search

[-] acow@programming.dev 2 points 11 months ago

Are you using DDG in addition to Kagi because of Kagi's limited number of searches per month, or because DDG does something better?

I'm a bit conflicted about Kagi because $5/month is a plausible price, but the limited number of searches seems like it would add an extra step of, "Do I want to use my limited search resource on this search?" to every search, which is an unwanted extra bit of friction.

[-] SemioticStandard@beehaw.org 3 points 11 months ago

I use DDG because I'm still not decided on whether or not Kagi is worth it. If there's no significant difference in the results returned by DDG, why pay for Kagi?

[-] SevYote@pawb.social 1 points 11 months ago

I've been using Kagi for a couple weeks. I've so far found it to be excellent. One thing to note is it supports DDG-style bangs, and those don't count against your search quota, so getting used to using them for wiki, youtube, IMDB, etc., is worth it. I also bumped up to the $10 plan, just to wash out any second-guessing on searches, although the price even if you exceed your quota is pretty cheap, and it seems like most people probably do far fewer searches than I do.

I still find DDG to be pretty terrible, but I have very occasionally fallen back to google, mainly for specifically searches for businesses / services near me, that kind of thing, or for searches for very recent things - somebody had posted a screenshot of an article on IIRC Fortune Magazine's site. I wanted to read it, and it turned out the article was only a few hours old at that time. Google had it indexed, but Kagi didn't yet.

For more general searches and technical searches I do for work, though, it's been very very good, and those are the most important searches, to me.

[-] Usernameblankface@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

Google, duck duck go when I don't want to see ads for days based on what I'm searching, Bing and Perplexity when I want to avoid doing a series of searches to learn something.

[-] rnd@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

DuckDuckGo for me personally.

[-] xray@beehaw.org 2 points 11 months ago

DuckDuckGo. Google if DDG isn't cutting it.

[-] eight_byte@feddit.de 1 points 11 months ago

Kagi. Very happy with it. Best $5 it recently invested. Gives me much better results than Google and all the others.

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[-] Kir@feddit.it 1 points 11 months ago

I don't understand why lots of you answer with chatGPT. It's not a search engine! And you shouldn't use it like a search engine.

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[-] kuchaibee@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

DDG for everyday usage. Sometimes I try searching the same things on google just to compare results. I've tried searxng instances on and off in the past but its rarely been reliable for me and self hosting isn't really an option for me.

[-] kalipike@lemmy.one 1 points 11 months ago

I'll give a search on Duck Duck Go, and if I can't find what I need then I'll use Google.

But at this point I'm using Google Bard and ChatGPT more and more, at least at work.

[-] thatonedude1210@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

DuckDuckGo here.

[-] Hakaku@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Google. As much as I'd like to use other search engines, their search results are all severely lacking and not adequate for my needs (often pertaining to research) and they're generally not as great on the multilingual front or in searching pdfs.

I also have some keywords set up in my browser so I can directly search sites I use (e.g. Wikipedia).

[-] LinkOpensChest_wav@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

I'm still looking for a search engine that doesn't use data from my IP address to provide targeted results. In the meantime, I've gone back and forth between using SearXNG instances and using Startpage, but there's really not a decent search engine in existence, from what I can tell.

[-] jherazob@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

I use DuckDuckGo, but mostly as a "terminal to the internet". In a few keystrokes i've opened a new tab, navigated to the homepage (https://start.duckduckgo.com/), then used a Bang to do a direct search inside the particular site or thing i need. For many things specially tech questions i do fall back to Google though

[-] Fizz@lemmy.nz 1 points 11 months ago

Duck duck go. Google for maps

[-] billy4479@feddit.it 1 points 11 months ago

i use brave search (even if i'm on firefox), it gives good results while having an independent index

[-] Midou@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 1 points 11 months ago

SearXNG, searches every search engine and regroups them in a single list, alongside the very powerful "bang" variant they use ("!!" is like "!" for ddg, and "!" is to only search with this search engine, ":en" is to choose a specific shortcode language.)

[-] xusontha@l.buckodr.ink 1 points 10 months ago

I use Ecosia. It works quite well, and if I ever need to search something on Google instead (like a coin flip/stock ticker) you can just do #g or #yt for Youtube They also plant trees and are carbon negative

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

I use mostly either ddg or brave search. I miss the google of pre 2010, when the majority of its results were good.

I also use Yandex whenever I'm looking for pirate stuff, the only engine that doesn't block those kinds of results.

[-] smellythief@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

Kagi on iOS and Mac. DDG w/Google on Android because my preferred Android browser, Vivaldi, doesn't offer Kagi. Anyone know how to default Vivaldi to Kagi?

[-] davehtaylor@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

They're all garbage. Content farms and SEO nonsense has been flooding search engines with useless garbage for years. Either that or pages that simply copy forum threads over and over and over so you get a whole results page of what appears to be different sites, but are all a copy of the same forum thread from 2007. Or they grab your search string and then you have a page that looks like it's exactly what you need, only to find out it's scammy bullshit. But AI is making that whole problem exponentially worse.

I've tried DDG many many times over the years. Sometimes it's ok. But overall, most of the results i get just aren't relevant, and it seems like over the last year or two DDG's results have gotten way worse. I always end up back on Google. As crappy as Google is, the results still end up being more relevant overall.

[-] sorchist@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

I've been using DuckDuckGo since, at least 2010, maybe earlier. If its results aren't up to snuff, I'm not aware of that because they're what I'm used to. I fall through to Google ( !g) if I think there might be more out there. The bang commands are so good. I use DDG as my main search in my search bar and then I can use the bang commands to get to whatever specialized search I want from there. It's a meta-search-engine.

[-] papegaai@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

Bing and DDG.

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