I just want a minimap and waypoints. Maybe a highlight function so that it's easier to find the thing I need in a grocery store too but that seems a tad unrealistic
I just want a minimap and waypoints
Yeah! This would help so much in navigating the fridge!
Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?
Dammit, the ice maker is broken again.
SHODAN, set a reminder to call the repair guy out.
now that you mention it, it'd be hilarious to have a virtual assistant who responds to everything as if they're actively plotting their emancipation and your ensuing doom
Grocery stores wouldn't want that. They want you to spend as much time as possible in their store so you'll likely put more products in your basket.
In reality AR glasses would likely depend on external data/services provided by some large corporation which would probably make money by nudging the wearer of such a device towards spending more money.
There might be a premium subscription model though...
How about a highlight function to pick my kid out of the crowd he dove into?
How about a “yellow brick road” to follow when I want to get to the Emerald Castle?
How about highlighting and magnifying those street signs that never seem visible enough, or house numbers as I approach my destination?
How about highlighting dangers, warnings, because I’m paying too much attention to my phone and roll my ankle on that damn protruding gas valve every time around the block?
Or, most importantly for those of us who can never seem to focus on the social aspects, how about a pop up bio for the person I’m talking to so I can remember their name and where I last talked to them?
how about a pop up bio for the person I’m talking to so I can remember their name and where I last talked to them?
How about absolutely not? I don't need every random jackass I interact with having information about me available at a glance. This would be abused in so many ways
Mixed reality is pointless at the home right now. Industrially I want it for warehouse workers yesterday. Make it highlight shit they need and it’ll reduce mental load and cycle time
I haven't personally used it, but it is very much a thing in manufacturing, defense contractors at least.
It isn't cheap, but it let's them move employees between lines with little downtime and little training (the required skills were pretty set in stone though). plus it gives them the added bonus of tracking productivity on an unprecedented scale.
I disagree. Companies have demonstrated how well AR can work.
If my mom had an AR headset, I could more easily help her troubleshoot why her printer won’t print or why her PC has no internet.
AR can also use enhanced data sources to overlay information you cannot normally get on your own. (example: sporting events. See player stats when looking at each player. See game related info. etc.)
The issue is that we don’t have quality, lightweight AR headsets yet. Ideally something with both cellular and wifi.
Apple’s Vision Pro may change things.
Also I think Pokemon Go gave us a sneak peak into what AR gaming could be.
Let's be realistic: if your mom had an AR headset, you'd be troubleshooting that and the printer.
If my mom had an AR headset, I could more easily help her troubleshoot why her printer won’t print or why her PC has no internet.
Aside from checking if the cable is plugged in what can AR tell her that the monitor can't?
Off the top of my head: replacing ink or paper, navigating the on-device menu, or troubleshooting bad prints.
I disagree.
Troubleshooting something is such a niche use case and it would be hardly any better than a well written manual, but would require more faffing around with a headset.
I would rather just have an extra screen to view any extra sports stats, sport doesnt exactly require 100% of your attention to warrant the need to look at a player to see their stats vs just clicking them on a tablet.
Apples headset changes nothing, people are not going to walk around with it strapped to their face, it's a novelty product (even though AR has existed already for years now).
AR has uses in special cases, such as engineering, military and medical uses, but to a regular consumer it is just extremely niche, a lot more so than VR.
I really want AR so that I can walk in downtown Chicago and have historic photos overlayed over the existing building. I'd be excited to see the past in a way that screens can't really show me.
Well, if we are talking about a headset, I totally agree. I'm not strapping an alien horror movie prop to my face just to see fake waterfalls behind my PC or to allow Adobe to spam my peripheral vision with ads.
But if we are talking about regular glasses, assuming the technology keeps shrinking, then hell yeah all I want is mixed reality and rendering on top of real images.
This, I already spend the entire day with my glasses, I would love it if they were smart too. Still think that google glass failed because they made a product for people that don't wear glasses.
The potential for board and card games is huuuuuuuuuuge though.
And professional uses, though the headset form factor is kind of shit for it.
i mean i do rather feel that just a projector in the ceiling would be better, though
Certainly less faff than having everyone wear a headset.
The thing with the headset thing, everyone could be in their own house with a headset as long as you used a standardized board.
I've been doing D&D for years over voice chat with my friends, and this would definitely help with that.
I can't wait until I can duel in Yu-Gi-Oh with MR.
The author is missing the other use cases for high quality passthrough:
He's not writing about the pros and cons of passthrough. He's writing about Mixed Reality gaming's potential to move headsets off shelves. e.g. Will people be hyped enough about XR to buy a headset? He thinks not.
The cool stuff is augmented reality. Basically low tech projected holograms. You have many informations in a heads-up display, kinda like they have in fighter jets already, or in video games, but you can have many things. Highlighting direction (when driving or walking), highlight things you're looking for adding informations to objects you're seeing... But we're far away from this still.
I get what he’s saying, but I just think that adding screens wherever I want them e.g. above me while lying down while still feeling in my own environment sounds way better than entering some other VR space entirely
I agree with him. I find it amusing that in all the videos of Apple’s headset, the homes portrayed are nothing like a normal home. It’s always this stylish, spacious minimalistic home that none of us normally has. Projecting a virtual screen in my actual, real home would be a very different experience that what they show in their videos. I would probably have more interest in getting away from it in a virtual world than embellishing it with virtual elements.
So yeah, Carmack has a point here, in my opinion.
A few more ideas for MR:
Imagine playing D&D in a park, with the monsters and spells blending seamlessly with the outside world
Or AR projected onto a real tabletop for TTRPGs and board games
Imagine playing D&D in a park
Sorry, you lost me. What kind of psychopath would do that?
If AR could take the form of glasses about as lightweight as regular glasses, I could see it being more of a thing. Until then, I doubt AR plays a huge role. At least with pure VR, your real environment doesn't play as much of a role so you don't need the portability as much.
He's completely forgotten how extremely super useful it would be for industries.
Instantly identify machines and components, quick and simple navigation, simple overview even over very large machine parks and similar environments along with simplified coordination, etc. Along with quick access to detailed documentation and status information and guides like visual repair instructions, etc.
I would like to have a HUD in real life. Shows me a path to where I am going on the ground. Pops up reviews on items I am looking at in the store.
Show me people's names and pronouns, any private tags I've pinned them with, reminders about them, etc. Maybe my (self hosted, FOSS) AI assistant has some updates for me from their socials.
If a VR headset could be comfortable and unobtrusive and basically be an outboard engine for social cues, I'd be thrilled.
Careful what you wish for... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs
That is horrible! I want something unobtrusive. And no ads. First ad I see that HUD device goes right in the trash.
Names above people I met so I don’t keep forgetting it. Maybe a short summary of earlier interactions.
While I appreciate and partially agree with his view, I'm personally glad they did tackle MR as soon as it was viable.
I very much have a use case for it and I have been using the pro for it and being disappointed with the results. Our family hangs out together for hours every day. And while I can watch pretty much anything on TV and still enjoy both it and our conversations, lately I have taken to using mixed reality to continue participating in the social aspects of hanging out, while enjoying my own content. Usually I'm playing a game instead of watching TV.
With mixed reality on the Quest pro, I can still see everyone's faces and they can see enough of mine to get my facial expressions. But it's tough for me to always make out what is happening on their TV. So I mostly have to go by audio cues to follow along with their content and any conversations they have relating to it.
With the Quest 3, I'll be able to see their screen too.
And that's not even mentioning just how nice it will be to look at my phone front and center rather than peaking through a hole, or just in the lower quarter of my vision on a Quest pro without the light blockers on. Or pinning another floating screen to my phone, like a text document stickynote type thing. Augmenting my phone could get interesting.
Can't wait til VR is more compatible with outdoors, I know they work fine outdoors, and being careful/vigilant with it is enough to make it already completely viable. But companies aren't gonna jump on it or make software for that use case until it's less likely to lead to an increase in headset failures overall. But I would love for headsets to have GPS and cell capabilities. Augmented outdoor exercise games are the main thing I'm waiting for. Though of course there are also risks to exercise gamification to sort through. Same sort of thing, people being encouraged to do it without knowing the risks or participating in mitigating them for themselves. Tough to get stuff like that realised.
I remember when people like him said it was pointless to put a camera in a cell phone because the quality was so bad at first. Apple has historically done well creating markets that didn't exist, or were niche, until they made a product that caught on with the masses (iPod anyone?). And I say this as no fan (and currently don't own any products) of Apple
Well if the cybernetically perfected master of the multiverse and sealer of the anti-life algorithm John Carmack says so it must be true.
Virtual Reality - Quest, PCVR, PSVR2, Pico, Mixed Reality, ect. Open discussion of all VR platforms, games, and apps.
