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“Trumpism is not going to be defeated by inside-the-Beltway politicians,” he said.

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[–] TheGoddessAnoia@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 days ago

My, my! It's good to see so many younger Americans ripping on an 83 year old man who has lived his socialist beliefs since high school, regardless of cost. Bernie has been outvoted, dragged, beaten, arrested, and then gone right back out to the front lines and done it all again: what, pray, are you doing , now, when it is needed, to compare? Aside, I mean, from waving your keyboard at the big, bad socialist who is at least still out there trying to push the stone up the hill once more, because it's what he can still do?

I thought the fascists were the problem.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 56 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Could have had two terms of this guy now

[–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Two terms with him not looking for a 3rd...

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Or he wouldve been so wonderful, the people pushed to have him for a third. Roosevelt stayed in so long so we're not opposed to keeping someone for more then two terms.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Bernie is right; politics needs to focus on the socioeconomic ("tangible") difference for the people. Generating income for the people is what's important.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

He gives us focus on a problem so we can focus on the solutions. This is what populism is supposed to be, someone uniting us under one call to action, one message, and we all link arms and say with one voice that we want a better world.

The problem: wealthy robber-barons have taken over the country and rampant capitalism is undermining literally everything about our society and won't rest until there's nothing left to extract from a population.

The solution: https://guillotine.dk/pages/drawings1792.html

edit: the single, stinging downvote reminded me that even mocking threats against our oppressors isn't "civil" and that if we really want to actually benefit from the wealth we generate for others, we should just sit down, shut up and appreciate the fact that literally everything is going to be a paid-subscription model designed to make sure you don't keep a dime of your own work and effort. I promise I will be a better servant for the landowners and just work the fields like a good serf.

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[–] tastysaganaki@reddthat.com 20 points 6 days ago (9 children)

There’s some people who just hate on Bernie regardless of what he says or does. He if makes no comment in this time of authoritarianism, you’ll say he’s useless. If he does speeches like he’s doing, you’ll say he’s useless- as many comments here currently reflect. He typically says things that have a moral core or decency to them. He’s of course not perfect. He also has to politically function within a broken two party bullshit system which, unless there’s a significant change to how it functions, limits how he can try to enact laws. But to many here he’s clearly damned if he does and doesn’t. I’ve read through all of the comments here so far and none of the people critiquing Bernie have offered up a tangible suggestion for what Bernie should be doing instead, rather just pointing out how ineffective they feel Bernie is. Bernie made a huge national culture shift to the left through his historic runs for president. He was stifled by the DNC and ultimately lost, but the enduring left of center message continues in many politicians running in the country on the Democratic side. I am not defending the Democrats as a party at all, but I’d argue Bernie successfully used the Dems to get his message across during his presidential runs, and now as an Independent continues to have a platform for left of center messages. Whether he’s sufficiently left enough or effective enough is the eternally tired debate with some on the left who, besides shitting on Bernie, don’t themselves offer solutions.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

none of the people critiquing Bernie have offered up a tangible suggestion for what Bernie should be doing instead, rather just pointing out how ineffective they feel Bernie is.

People reacting to activism, in a nutshell.

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Defense mechanism

That way they feel less bad about doing nothing themselves

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Bernie Sanders needs to start a leftist party

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Someone needs to take a page outta VP trumps book and start dog shitting on how bad hes making it for the every day person. Direct the hate those people have to the ones fucking us all and a revolution will happen. Itll be an uphill battle for sure, but the big trumpers are small minded and once they are negatively affected and are given a new target, they'll jump at it if you can convince them they'll benefit.

Edit: forgot the word 'it', oops.

[–] Breezy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There needs to be a voice organizing this! Bernie would be great, however i dont think he has it in him to be like that. Thats why AOC (Alexandria Ocasio Cortez) needs to become a firebrand and galvanize any forward thinking person to push for change and not to accept anything less than better.

No more lesser of the two evils. We need to become better than we are.

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago

We really need to start developing ways to primary the hell out of any of the democrats in Washington who continue to do nothing, or rather who are actively being passive because all they care about is the rich donor money. If they started feeling the heat from the chance they could lose their position to a challenger they’d start to change their tune.

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I heard them described as 'Limp Dick Democrats' today.

And that's pretty fitting.

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[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It is good to see Bernie out there active. The only issue is where does this all go? Harris lost and no leadership changes has been made. Dems are actively throwing their hands up saying they can't do anything.

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[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Some are getting enthusiastic, but if you look at the past decades: one realizes that it’s the same small group/ type of people being motivated and excited again and again, with zero effect seen years later.

The federal government and many states are not democracies; any strategy that assumes this will not work. Any movement that will not fix bad voting systems will fail.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

Some are getting enthusiastic, but if you look at the past decades: one realizes that it’s the same small group/ type of people being motivated and excited again and again, with zero effect seen years later.

Big changes that become extremely popular and supported by the public and are largely looked back on by future generations as positive or even necessary are often instigated and initiated by small groups of passionate people who are genuine in their desire for a better world.

Do not underestimate the power of small groups of passionate people who want to make the world a better kinder place. You can't bribe these people, you can't distract these people, you can't silence these people, you have to jail and kill every single last one to stop them from agitating the shit out of the general population to get normal people to fight for better treatment for themselves and others. Every single one of these people is from the perspective of an authoritarian dictator a nightmare to deal with since like a catastrophically deadly virus, it only takes one of these people spreading the contagion uncontrolled and unnoticed to tear the body apart.

The federal government and many states are not democracies; any strategy that assumes this will not work. Any movement that will not fix bad voting systems will fail.

Agreed, I don't mean to downplay the gravity of this situation, but on the other hand I think many people are comfortably past the point of needing to hold on to the structures that define the status quo. Government does not exist once the majority of people stop believing in it a basic level. Violence and control still exist, and they yet may win the day, but no matter what happens in the realm of physical bodies struggling against other physical bodies in the realm of ideas they have already lost and that means that no arrangement of threats or violent systems of control will truly ever be stable.

I take hope in that.

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Most of them are totally fine with most everything that's happening. They have all the tools to keep their stock portfolios stacked, they never cared about poors, and they get to campaign on "omg look how awful." They're gonna whine performatively and not do a damn thing to actually stop a single thing. If they had half a collective spine and a fractuon the moral fortitude Bernie does, we never would have gotten here to begin with.

[–] icmpecho@lemmy.ml 10 points 6 days ago

Bernie cooking as usual

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