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Summary

Trump is pushing for softer language on Russia’s war in Ukraine, straining G7 unity.

Officials say the U.S. is blocking references to "Russian aggression" and prefers calling it the "Ukraine conflict."

This shift follows Trump's peace talks with Putin that excluded Ukraine's President Zelensky, whom Trump later called a "dictator."

The change in rhetoric contrasts with Biden-era support for Ukraine and threatens a unified G7 stance.

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[–] SilentKettle@lemmy.wtf 4 points 14 minutes ago

It's almost as if he works for Putin

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The fuck is G7 anyway, but the face of global capitalism?

Just doublechecking my premises, there's this from Investopedia:

The Group of Seven is an intergovernmental organization made up of the world's largest developed economies: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Government leaders of these countries meet periodically to address international economic and monetary issues, with each member taking over the presidency on a rotating basis...

Yeah, fuck 'em, but all is forgiven if G7 has the balls to expel America.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

G8 expelled Russia for the original Ukrainian invasion in 2014. If need be, I suppose they can become G6. Or honestly, in this day and age, there are many more nations whose opinions should be considered. G7 is pretty eurocentric and I say this as an European (though not a citizen of any of the 7)

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)
[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 3 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

It was a thought I had too, but tbh I feel iffy about China.

If China's willing to stop supporting Russia, I could see the west sans US starting closer ties with China. That alliance would be an economic powerhouse for sure.

[–] absentbird@lemm.ee 1 points 9 minutes ago

I figure the best way to convince China to stop supporting Russia is to give them a better option. Europe is a bigger economy and more in line with many of China's goals. Russia is chaotic and weak by comparison.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 3 points 59 minutes ago

That would piss them off so much lol

[–] jve@lemmy.world 33 points 15 hours ago

Got me feelin’ so fly, like a G6

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 124 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Kick the US out. If our democracy survives Trump, you can always readmit us when we have a president who acts in good faith. Otherwise, this shit is only going to get worse...

[–] towelie@lemm.ee 59 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (4 children)

Unfortunately it's likely going to take more than just electing a nice guy for USA to earn back its status as a trustworthy ally. When the country can just go rogue every four years, making threats against allies and backing out of agreements — and half of the country is so nationalist that they applaud it — you can't really establish a basis of trust.

[–] krebssteven@lemmy.world 13 points 7 hours ago

Precisely this. Once this trust has been lost and the 'G6' face a world where they cannot count on the US, geopolicies will change and the US will not be perceived trustworthy anytime soon. As it stands, it will be considered yet another global power with anti-democratic tendencies, policies that endanger world piece and disrupt the common pursuit for prosperity and is considered best kept in check.

[–] Hugin@lemmy.world 38 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a US citizen. Please kick us out. The more countries that take concrete action against us that actually hurt us the more likely congress and the voters are to stand up to Trump.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 1 hour ago

If you think any fact will affect the American public, you are much more optimistic than me.

Republicans will blame Soros, o Pelosi, or AOC and trump will have even more support.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

By allowing our politicians a seat at the table you're opening yourself up to more harm.

Isolate us, make the voting public feel the consequences of their actions. Respond to tariffs with tariffs on red states. Sanction administration official of the inevitable human rights abuses that are coming. Call out the lies of our Government openly and with evidence.

This isn't going to change if there are never any consequences for the people who're doing this as well as their supporters. Revoke the visas of our oligarchs, limit their travel, stop doing business with their companies. Create incentives for educated Americans to immigrate to healthier democracies and ban our social media companies before they finish poisoning your country as well.

[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 hours ago

We don't want educated Americans emmigrating elsewhere. We want you to fix your shit and educated Americans are the only ones that can do that.

If you leave, the idiots are left in charge of some of the spiciest military hardware and without smart people, will probably end up using it.

The voting public seem to be pretty susceptible to whatever spin the Orange House puts on the consequences of their actions.

Do you really believe they'll see through what Trump does and blame themselves before blaming Canada, for example?

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 6 points 16 hours ago

Agreed. We earned this. I hope we gain the world's trust again, but it'll most likely never be like it was...

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 9 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, China's not in even though it's the second largest economy in the world. In the 90s it almost became G-8 to include Russia, but then Putin screwed that up.

It's not all that different of a situation from Russia being kicked out because of Putin's shenanigans, really.

Should try to get Brazil to leave BRICS and join the G-7 club. The US could go be in BRICS bullshit (or maybe then it'd be called the USRICS?) with the other authoritarian assholes of the world.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 49 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Kick us out, Trump is not in the G7 to do anything but fuck it up. Being a self interested stakeholder is normal but he's not self interested. He is clearly under Putin's influence.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 252 points 1 day ago (9 children)

American here: make it the G6. I am 100% serious. Trump is not your friend, and the rest of our fucking government is demonstrably inept in the extreme in terms of resisting this fascist takeover.

[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 113 points 22 hours ago

Amen. Also American. Cut America off. Do not stand for this stupidity. If American voters regain their minds in 2 or 4 years, we can all figure out how to move on. If not, America doesn't deserve your grace and goodwill when it's showing none. Ostracize us for the good of the world.

Fucking clown.

[–] d00phy@lemmy.world 51 points 20 hours ago

Another American here. Yeah, we’re not Europe’s friend anymore. I hate it, but it’s true. Dear Leader has made it abundantly clear that unless you are somehow enriching him and/or his billionaire cabinet, he’s not interested in being your friend. You can hold up as many past agreements and treaties his predecessors signed and it won’t mean jack shit to him. Putin is his daddy because Putin loves oligarchs, and wants to be an oligarch sooooooo bad.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 70 points 23 hours ago

honest to god embargo us. saction us. you will do more to help our people by cutting donald trump at the knees than anything else you could do. we need help making his cult realize what they've done is bad and i think the only way that happens is if food gets expensive

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[–] goofus@lemmy.today 29 points 18 hours ago

Russia Loving Republicans. Trump is a Russian asset. Treat the US government like an enemy.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 257 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

Do what they did to Russia, kick the US the fuck out and start calling it the G6. It was the G8 from 1997 to 2014, they can stand to lose another.

The US is literally trying to kickstart an economic depression in the US. Why the fuck would you want these guys in economics talks when they clearly understand FUCK ALL about economics? A US depression will fuck up the rest of the world's economics as well, and that's clearly the long-term goal.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 55 points 23 hours ago

If I recall correctly, it's about destabilizing the Dollar and making their (China and Russia's) financial system become the world standard...

It all comes down to money. It always does.

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 38 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 14 points 19 hours ago

I love it when you talk dirty

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 132 points 1 day ago

This just in, the known russian puppet, trump, is a russian puppet.

[–] Docus@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago (12 children)

G6 it is then. After NATOTWO is set up

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[–] ThanksObama@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (10 children)

But I couldn't vote for Harris because that was a vote for genocide.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 19 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Coming from a country with ranked voting and more than 2 parties, this looks so ridiculous. It's like the USA electoral system is designed to make people bicker amongst themselves about who is the lesser evil, while oligarchs take control.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago

Seems like you understand it just fine then.

[–] Paragone@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

Veritasium, on yt ( not a guy I recommend frequently ) has a vid on election-systems.

Approval-disapproval seems to be the sanest electing-system there is..

All the ranked-choice-systems logically have problems, though no-where near as bad as 1st-past-the-post idiocy.

Please, people, if you're interested in the sanest voting-system possible, watch that video, & then organize to replace your system with the currently-best-option, which seems, from that vid, to be the approval/disapproval system.

( it makes the most-approved person win, and one can approve-of multiple different candidates, so the majority-of-voters get heard, no-matter-what, see? )

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