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The White House now claims Elon Musk is not leading DOGE, despite Trump previously stating Musk was in charge of the task force cutting $2 trillion in federal spending.

A court filing says Musk is only a senior adviser without formal decision-making authority. However, Musk’s tweets and Trump’s remarks suggest he has been directing DOGE’s activities.

The revelation raises legal concerns, as lawsuits argue DOGE violates the Appointments Clause by bypassing Senate confirmation.

A federal judge is set to rule on an emergency motion against Musk’s involvement.

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[–] Adulated_Aspersion@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You are doublethinking that DOGE is run by Musk. This will be rectified by Minitrue.

This thoughtcrime is doubleplusungood. Thotpol will be notified, the guilty will visit a joycamp, and then the guilty will be unpersoned.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 111 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Reminder: this guy could be impeached and out of office in under 24 hours, but every single Republican is actively choosing to be a Nazi instead.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

He was impeached multiple times the last time he was in office, why would doing it again magically dethrown him?

Let's be honest we all know what needs to be done to remove them from power.

[–] almost1337@lemm.ee 37 points 1 day ago

Impeachment is what the House does, and it is basically a formal accusation. It then goes to the Senate for conviction, which if successful results in removal.

Given that the Rs in both chambers are complicit in Trump's actions, neither of his impeachments resulted in a conviction, and he is equally unlikely to be impeached under the current Congress.

[–] SippyCup@feddit.nl 13 points 1 day ago

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[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago

Impeachment is only the first step, Orange Hamburglar has already been impeached multiple times, but the DoJ has never levied actual charges against him, so the act of impeachment itself is just a badge of dishonor until the government chooses to enforce its own laws. Asinine setup from beginning to end to protect criminals in power.

[–] ehpolitical@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've never had faith in politics, this isn't helping.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (5 children)

That's what this ghouls want, it's their wholr purpose and their whole deal. If you don't have political institutions to protect you, they can eat you whole. And the best way to destroy political institutions is to errode public support for them.

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[–] Nikelui@lemmy.world 150 points 2 days ago (2 children)

"I'm not the head of the department, it's just an empty shell company with a puppethead that follows my every whim."

[–] Doubleohdonut@lemmy.ca 59 points 2 days ago (1 children)

~ President of the United States, 2025

[–] Nikelui@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (11 children)

I wonder if it's possible to play to their egos and sow discord by continuing to call them President Musk and Mr. Trump.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Every reporter who asks trump a question should follow it up with "and what does Elon musk think about that?"

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

“Did Elon already approve this, or are you still waiting for him to decide?”

Gotta push Donnie’s buttons harder.

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[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is unironically functionally the same as how 'Sovereign Citizens' attempt to escape legal liability.

You see, you're suing a legal entity that isn't me.

But also, I can act with, as, and through my legal entity.

But also also, I'm not actually responsible for anything bad I do, because my legal entity did that, not me.

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[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 78 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You lost me at "White House claims." Gonna need a reputable source, please.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Or you know, impeach and remove the president who lied to the population about what was going on. He's a public servant as well.

[–] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fucking finally man, I knew I was asking the wrong people previously

PapaStevesy is the person America needs right now

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[–] elav@lemmy.world 122 points 2 days ago (5 children)
[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 72 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Wow I can't believe Trump would just lie like that.

[–] elav@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Another day in Trump’s life.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

To be fair, he's a very unreliable source.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 65 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A federal judge is set to rule on an emergency motion against Musk’s involvement.

Best we will get is a superficial ruling that says he can't do it while he continues to do it and there will be absolutely zero consequences nor will all of the people who he fucked receive any form of justice.

[–] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Depends on how far Judge Tanya Chutkan is willing to go see her order(s) enforced. She famously has no love for Trump and his law breaking. Even so any ruling negative to Trump will probably get appealed to the Supremely Corrupt Court and get overturned.

[–] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 days ago

It's actually not very fun watching a country fall to fascism.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago

Good leaders dont sow chaos and confusion

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The ultimate game. Get into a position of power, work for free, your work is to guarantee you come out richer. Hire employees for "your" agency that is just a rebranded agency that already exists so no paperwork need be filed. Then, sound like a person of authority while "advising" said agency. Command those gullible 18-21-year-old kids to do unspeakable acts they're too young and immature to comprehend.

Kids end up being charged with the actionable crime, free "advisor" dude parachutes out the window to collect his solidified tax breaks.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh, no, no, no. We're too old for this. If any action is to happen it needs to be done to Elon. We're not stupid. We know where these orders descend from.

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh sure, let us actually have choice in action. I'm speaking about how the Old Laws worked in the Long Long Ago. Now that there is no law, the hilarious part is that these old codgers that made this world domination plan forgot that law doesn't matter when it comes down to it. Program a Tesla to explode while driving, why not? Random snipers on the way to work? Why not? McDonalds burger full of cyanide, why not? I'm not suggesting any evil action here, I just find it supremely funny that these idiots made a football play on America and the one thing they missed, which is the one thing the Republinazis always miss, is that rules are for all. When rules for thee vs me tease out, shit goes south real fast. They think the very laws they are dismantling will somehow let them be safe at the same time.

The supreme hypocrisy of the under-educated is what it boils down to. America's Golden Shower Age.

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[–] PeterisBacon@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

Man, scratching his head like that? That's a mf meme.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I suspect one of two things are happening, or maybe a mix of both:

  1. Trump doesn't like the insinutations that he himself isn't in control.

  2. Musk's public image issues are now affecting the bottom lines of his companies.

These things are direct results of both men being complete imbeciles. Nothing more to see here.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (1 children)
  1. They are purposefully sowing more confusion. All the chaos being a smokescreen to hide the obvious fact that they have both hands in the public coffers and are grabbing what they can.
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[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

It's Schrödinger's control: for the purpose of having executive authority over the project 2025 policy agenda he is in control, except when doing so is illegal in which case he isn't. The status depends on who's looking, as it is always exactly the status that evades accountability.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 31 points 2 days ago

"Musk leads DOGE"

"...that's illegal."

"No, no, no musk doesn't lead DOGE, he advises. Someone else leads it."

"...so you bypassed the Senate, also illegal..."

"No, no, you don't get it. Jesus takes the wheel here. It's God that runs it! You don't hate God do you!?"

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If he isn't running DOGE then why the fuck is he in the white house with his booger eater all the damn time? And why did he get access to those documents? And why is anyone listening to anything that falls out of his incel mouth?

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All right, who's making the decisions then?

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 28 points 2 days ago

Elon, they're lying.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Tell all of your wealthy friends that Musk/Trump has all of their social security, address, work history, salaray history, etc. in their hands, right now.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Done. Whew, that took NaN time out of my day!

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[–] TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Don't look at the man behind the curtains!"

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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 2 days ago

I would say that usually the courts see through thinly veiled attempts to put up a fake separation between decision makers and their positions. But lately I'm not sure of anything.

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