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[–] protonslive@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

I find this very offensive, wait until my chatgpt hears about this! It will have a witty comeback for you just you watch!

[–] Joeyfingis@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

Let me ask chatgpt what I think about this

[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Also your ability to search information on the web. Most people I've seen got no idea how to use a damn browser or how to search effectively, ai is gonna fuck that ability completely

[–] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

To be fair, the web has become flooded with AI slop. Search engines have never been more useless. I've started using kagi and I'm trying to be more intentional about it but after a bit of searching it's often easier to just ask claude

[–] bromosapiens@lemm.ee 12 points 6 days ago

Gen Zs are TERRIBLE at searching things online in my experience. I’m a sweet spot millennial, born close to the middle in 1987. Man oh man watching the 22 year olds who work for me try to google things hurts my brain.

[–] dill@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tinfoil hat me goes straight to: make the population dumber and they’re easier to manipulate.

It’s insane how people take LLM output as gospel. It’s a TOOL just like every other piece of technology.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I mostly use it for wordy things like filing out review forms HR make us do and writing templates for messages to customers

[–] dill@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Exactly. It’s great for that, as long as you know what you want it to say and can verify it.

The issue is people who don’t critically think about the data they get from it, who I assume are the same type to forward Facebook memes as fact.

It’s a larger problem, where convenience takes priority over actually learning and understanding something yourself.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

As you mentioned tho, not really specific to LLMs at all

[–] dill@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yeah it’s just escalating the issue due to its universal availability. It’s being used in lieu of Google by many people, who blindly trust whatever it spits out.

If it had a high technological floor of entry, it wouldn’t be as influential to the general public as it is.

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[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Counterpoint - if you must rely on AI, you have to constantly exercise your critical thinking skills to parse through all its bullshit, or AI will eventually Darwin your ass when it tells you that bleach and ammonia make a lemon cleanser to die for.

[–] mervinp14@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Damn. Guess we oughtta stop using AI like we do drugs/pron/ 😀

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Unlike those others, Microsoft could do something about this considering they are literally part of the problem.

And yet I doubt Copilot will be going anywhere.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The one thing that I learned when talking to chatGPT or any other AI on a technical subject is you have to ask the AI to cite its sources. Because AIs can absolutely bullshit without knowing it, and asking for the sources is critical to double checking.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I consider myself very average, and all my average interactions with AI have been abysmal failures that are hilariously wrong. I invested time and money into trying various models to help me with data analysis work, and they can't even do basic math or summaries of a PDF and the data contained within.

I was impressed with how good the things are at interpreting human fiction, jokes, writing and feelings. Which is really weird, in the context of our perceptions of what AI will be like, it's the exact opposite. The first AI's aren't emotionless robots, they're whiny, inaccurate, delusional and unpredictable bitches. That alone is worth the price of admission for the humor and silliness of it all, but certainly not worth upending society over, it's still just a huge novelty.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I've found questions about niche tools tend to get worse answers. I was asking if some stuff about jpackage and it couldn't give me any working suggestions or correct information. Stuff I've asked about Docker was much better.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

The ability of AI to write things with lots of boilerplate like Kubernetes manifests is astounding. It gets me 90-95% of the way there and saves me about 50% of my development time. I still have to understand the result before deployment because I'm not going to blindly deploy something that AI wrote and it rarely works without modifications, but it definitely cuts my development time significantly.

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[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I was talking to someone who does software development, and he described his experiments with AI for coding.

He said that he was able to use it successfully and come to a solution that was elegant and appropriate.

However, what he did not do was learn how to solve the problem, or indeed learn anything that would help him in future work.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm a senior software dev that uses AI to help me with my job daily. There are endless tools in the software world all with their own instructions on how to use them. Often they have issues and the solutions aren't included in those instructions. It used to be that I had to go hunt down any references to the problem I was having though online forums in the hopes that somebody else figured out how to solve the issue but now I can ask AI and it generally gives me the answer I'm looking for.

If I had AI when I was still learning core engineering concepts I think shortcutting the learning process could be detrimental but now I just need to know how to get X done specifically with Y this one time and probably never again.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

100% this. I generally use AI to help with edge cases in software or languages that I already know well or for situations where I really don't care to learn the material because I'm never going to touch it again. In my case, for python or golang, I'll use AI to get me started in the right direction on a problem, then go read the docs to develop my solution. For some weird ugly regex that I just need to fix and never touch again I just ask AI, test the answer it gices, then play with it until it works because I'm never going to remember how to properly use a negative look-behind in regex when I need it again in five years.

I do think AI could be used to help the learning process, too, if used correctly. That said, it requires the student to be proactive in asking the AI questions about why something works or doesn't, then going to read additional information on the topic.

[–] foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

how does he know that the solution is elegant and appropriate?

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 6 days ago

I feel you, but I've asked it why questions too.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 17 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Idk man. I just used it the other day for recalling some regex syntax and it was a bit helpful. However, if you use it to help you generate the regex prompt, it won't do that successfully. However, it can break down the regex and explain it to you.

Ofc you all can say "just read the damn manual", sure I could do that too, but asking an generative a.i to explain a script can also be as effective.

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

yes, exactly. You lose your critical thinking skills

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

As I was learning regex I was wondering why the * doesn't act like a wildcard and why I had to use .* instead. That doesn't make me lose my critical thinking skills. That was wondering what's wrong with the way I'm using this character.

[–] Tangent5280@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hey, just letting you know getting the answers you want after getting a whole lot of answers you dont want is pretty much how everyone learns.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (3 children)

People generally don't learn from an unreliable teacher.

[–] Womble@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Literally everyone learns from unreliable teachers, the question is just how reliable.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

You are being unnecessarily pedantic. "A person can be wrong therefore I will get my information from a random words generator" is exactly the attitude we need to avoid.
A teacher can be mistaken, yes. But when they start lying on purpose, they stop being a teacher. When they don't know the difference between the truth and a lie, they never were.

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[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 7 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It’s going to remove all individuality and turn us into a homogeneous jelly-like society. We all think exactly the same since AI “smoothes out” the edges of extreme thinking.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 5 days ago

Copilot told me you're wrong and that I can't play with you anymore.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Vs text books? What's the difference?

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Is that it?

One of the things I like more about AI is that it explains to detail each command they output for you, granted, I am aware it can hallucinate, so if I have the slightest doubt about it I usually look in the web too (I use it a lot for Linux basic stuff and docker).

Some people would give a fuck about what it says and just copy & past unknowingly? Sure, that happened too in my teenage days when all the info was shared along many blogs and wikis...

As usual, it is not the AI tool who could fuck our critical thinking but ourselves.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

I love how they chose the term "hallucinate" instead of saying it fails or screws up.

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[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Just try using AI for a complicated mechanical repair. For instance draining the radiator fluid in your specific model of car, chances are googles AI model will throw in steps that are either wrong, or unnecessary. If you turn off your brain while using AI, you're likely to make mistakes that will go unnoticed until the thing you did is business necessary. AI should be a tool like a straight edge, it has it's purpose and it's up to you the operator to make sure you got the edges squared(so to speak).

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[–] j4yt33@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

I've only used it to write cover letters for me. I tried to also use it to write some code but it would just cycle through the same 5 wrong solutions it could think of, telling me "I've fixed the problem now"

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