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[–] protonslive@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago

I find this very offensive, wait until my chatgpt hears about this! It will have a witty comeback for you just you watch!

[–] Joeyfingis@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

Let me ask chatgpt what I think about this

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 184 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Quickly, ask AI how to improve or practice critical thinking skills!

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 56 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Chat GPT et al; "To improve your critical thinking skills you should rely completely on AI."

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[–] Hiro8811@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Also your ability to search information on the web. Most people I've seen got no idea how to use a damn browser or how to search effectively, ai is gonna fuck that ability completely

[–] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

To be fair, the web has become flooded with AI slop. Search engines have never been more useless. I've started using kagi and I'm trying to be more intentional about it but after a bit of searching it's often easier to just ask claude

[–] bromosapiens@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago

Gen Zs are TERRIBLE at searching things online in my experience. I’m a sweet spot millennial, born close to the middle in 1987. Man oh man watching the 22 year olds who work for me try to google things hurts my brain.

[–] Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 122 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sounds a bit bogus to call this a causation. Much more likely that people who are more gullible in general also believe AI whatever it says.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This isn't a profound extrapolation. It's akin to saying "Kids who cheat on the exam do worse in practical skills tests than those that read the material and did the homework." Or "kids who watch TV lack the reading skills of kids who read books".

Asking something else to do your mental labor for you means never developing your brain muscle to do the work on its own. By contrast, regularly exercising the brain muscle yields better long term mental fitness and intuitive skills.

This isn't predicated on the gullibility of the practitioner. The lack of mental exercise produces gullibility.

Its just not something particular to AI. If you use any kind of 3rd party analysis in lieu of personal interrogation, you're going to suffer in your capacity for future inquiry.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 71 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

Corporations and politicians: "oh great news everyone... It worked. Time to kick off phase 2..."

  • Replace all the water trump wasted in California with brawndo
  • Sell mortgages for eggs, but call them patriot pods
  • Welcome to Costco, I love you
  • All medicine replaced with raw milk enemas
  • Handjobs at Starbucks
  • Ow my balls, Tuesdays this fall on CBS
  • Chocolate rations have gone up from 10 to 6
  • All government vehicles are cybertrucks
  • trump nft cartoons on all USD, incest legal, Ivanka new first lady.
  • Public executions on pay per view, lowered into deep fried turkey fryer on white house lawn, your meat is then mixed in with the other mechanically separated protein on the Tyson foods processing line (run exclusively by 3rd graders) and packaged without distinction on label.
  • FDA doesn't inspect food or drugs. Everything approved and officially change acronym to F(uck You) D(umb) A(ss)
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[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 57 points 5 days ago

You mean an AI that literally generated text based on applying a mathematical function to input text doesn't do reasoning for me? (/s)

I'm pretty certain every programmer alive knew this was coming as soon as we saw people trying to use it years ago.

It's funny because I never get what I want out of AI. I've been thinking this whole time "am I just too dumb to ask the AI to do what I need?" Now I'm beginning to think "am I not dumb enough to find AI tools useful?"

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Counterpoint - if you must rely on AI, you have to constantly exercise your critical thinking skills to parse through all its bullshit, or AI will eventually Darwin your ass when it tells you that bleach and ammonia make a lemon cleanser to die for.

[–] dill@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tinfoil hat me goes straight to: make the population dumber and they’re easier to manipulate.

It’s insane how people take LLM output as gospel. It’s a TOOL just like every other piece of technology.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mostly use it for wordy things like filing out review forms HR make us do and writing templates for messages to customers

[–] dill@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Exactly. It’s great for that, as long as you know what you want it to say and can verify it.

The issue is people who don’t critically think about the data they get from it, who I assume are the same type to forward Facebook memes as fact.

It’s a larger problem, where convenience takes priority over actually learning and understanding something yourself.

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[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 35 points 5 days ago (10 children)

You can either use AI to just vomit dubious information at you or you can use it as a tool to do stuff. The more specific the task, the better LLMs work. When I use LLMs for highly specific coding tasks that I couldn't do otherwise (I'm not a [good] coder), it does not make me worse at critical thinking.

I actually understand programming much better because of LLMs. I have to debug their code, do research so I know how to prompt it best to get what I want, do research into programming and software design principles, etc.

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The one thing that I learned when talking to chatGPT or any other AI on a technical subject is you have to ask the AI to cite its sources. Because AIs can absolutely bullshit without knowing it, and asking for the sources is critical to double checking.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

I consider myself very average, and all my average interactions with AI have been abysmal failures that are hilariously wrong. I invested time and money into trying various models to help me with data analysis work, and they can't even do basic math or summaries of a PDF and the data contained within.

I was impressed with how good the things are at interpreting human fiction, jokes, writing and feelings. Which is really weird, in the context of our perceptions of what AI will be like, it's the exact opposite. The first AI's aren't emotionless robots, they're whiny, inaccurate, delusional and unpredictable bitches. That alone is worth the price of admission for the humor and silliness of it all, but certainly not worth upending society over, it's still just a huge novelty.

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[–] mervinp14@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Damn. Guess we oughtta stop using AI like we do drugs/pron/ 😀

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago

Unlike those others, Microsoft could do something about this considering they are literally part of the problem.

And yet I doubt Copilot will be going anywhere.

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[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 14 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I was talking to someone who does software development, and he described his experiments with AI for coding.

He said that he was able to use it successfully and come to a solution that was elegant and appropriate.

However, what he did not do was learn how to solve the problem, or indeed learn anything that would help him in future work.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm a senior software dev that uses AI to help me with my job daily. There are endless tools in the software world all with their own instructions on how to use them. Often they have issues and the solutions aren't included in those instructions. It used to be that I had to go hunt down any references to the problem I was having though online forums in the hopes that somebody else figured out how to solve the issue but now I can ask AI and it generally gives me the answer I'm looking for.

If I had AI when I was still learning core engineering concepts I think shortcutting the learning process could be detrimental but now I just need to know how to get X done specifically with Y this one time and probably never again.

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[–] foenkyfjutschah@programming.dev 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

how does he know that the solution is elegant and appropriate?

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[–] underwire212@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It’s going to remove all individuality and turn us into a homogeneous jelly-like society. We all think exactly the same since AI “smoothes out” the edges of extreme thinking.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 days ago

Copilot told me you're wrong and that I can't play with you anymore.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Vs text books? What's the difference?

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 5 days ago (13 children)

I grew up as a kid without the internet. Google on your phone and youtube kills your critical thinking skills.

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Is that it?

One of the things I like more about AI is that it explains to detail each command they output for you, granted, I am aware it can hallucinate, so if I have the slightest doubt about it I usually look in the web too (I use it a lot for Linux basic stuff and docker).

Some people would give a fuck about what it says and just copy & past unknowingly? Sure, that happened too in my teenage days when all the info was shared along many blogs and wikis...

As usual, it is not the AI tool who could fuck our critical thinking but ourselves.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 35 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Good. Maybe the dumbest people will forget how to breathe, and global society can move forward.

[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

Oh you can guarantee they won't forget how to vote 😃

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[–] mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Well thank goodness that Microsoft isn't pushing AI on us as hard as it can, via every channel that it can.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 17 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Idk man. I just used it the other day for recalling some regex syntax and it was a bit helpful. However, if you use it to help you generate the regex prompt, it won't do that successfully. However, it can break down the regex and explain it to you.

Ofc you all can say "just read the damn manual", sure I could do that too, but asking an generative a.i to explain a script can also be as effective.

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[–] ThomasCrappersGhost@feddit.uk 26 points 5 days ago
[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 5 days ago

Critical thinking skills are what hold me back from relying on ai

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Remember the:

Personal computers were “bicycles for the mind.”

I guess with AI and social media it's more like melting your mind or something. I can't find another analogy. Like a baseball bat to your leg for the mind doesn't roll off the tongue.

I know Primeagen has turned off copilot because he said the "copilot pause" daunting and affects how he codes.

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[–] superglue@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 days ago

Of course. Relying on a lighter kills your ability to start a fire without one. Its nothing new.

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Just try using AI for a complicated mechanical repair. For instance draining the radiator fluid in your specific model of car, chances are googles AI model will throw in steps that are either wrong, or unnecessary. If you turn off your brain while using AI, you're likely to make mistakes that will go unnoticed until the thing you did is business necessary. AI should be a tool like a straight edge, it has it's purpose and it's up to you the operator to make sure you got the edges squared(so to speak).

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Really? I just asked ChatGPT and this is what it had to say:

This claim is misleading because AI can enhance critical thinking by providing diverse perspectives, data analysis, and automating routine tasks, allowing users to focus on higher-order reasoning. Critical thinking depends on how AI is used—passively accepting outputs may weaken it, but actively questioning, interpreting, and applying AI-generated insights can strengthen cognitive skills.

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