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[–] Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)
  • Name is Alex/Jordan/Leslie
  • Not allowed to clarify gender
[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Wouldn’t the world be better off if no one knew each others gender? If you’re a cis man and find yourself attracted to another man? Congrats you’re gay now.

[–] superminerJG@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)
  • I → (the) speaker/writer
  • you → (the) listener/reader, pl. (the) audience
  • they → that person, pl. those people

The writer believes that such an idea is quite stupid. In fact, the writer believes that the audience will find this language extremely obtuse. These methods will only cause more pain to the federal employees in question.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Don't forget pronouns like who, mine, and ours. In fact, here's a list of >100

Someone should write a script that completely replaces these with BS standins

I think we need a tool that automatically rewrites text to remove all pronouns, but I'm not even sure that is possible.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (3 children)

How does this hold up against a first amendment test?

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

When "What Trump wants goes" is all the Supreme Meme Court cares about

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Well like any other employee, you can say whatever you like, but you might get fired for it.

I don't see how the first ammendment applies here.

That said, I think this is a stupid and mean spirited order. It is by design trying to continue the exodus of federal employees while also the tyrannical denial of being able to identify people however they find appropriate for themselves.

[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well it's not a private entity hiring them, it's the actual govt. Usually the defense is that those are private companies and they can do what they want but that doesn't apply here

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because their employer is the US Government. The very entity the 1st Amendment protects us from.

[–] westyvw@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Not how this works at all. Do you really believe that an employee can just do or say anything while on the job just because they work for the US government?

Lets take Email for example, because that is what we are talking about here. There are policies about structuring emails. An agency can say: Your name goes at the bottom of every email, followed by your position, and then the Logo of the Agency. If you choose to sign your emails with someone else's name, from "This is such bullshit department" and a logo you made up, you WILL get disciplined.

Your freedom of speech ends at the door. Outside of work feel free, not at work.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Most of that isn't political speech. You absolutely still have the right to political speech as a government employee. Even the military was forced to let soldiers have political speech. The dividing line is where it looks like the speech is from the government instead of from you. Personal pronouns are hardly going to be from the government.

In your assertion the government could simply remove the rights of civil servants by issuing a policy. And that's just not how rights work.

It'll never have to

[–] nul42@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 days ago

nul42 would stop using pronouns completely and just use genderless nouns or proper names instead.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is just begging for malicious compliance.

You want to eliminate an entire part of speech? Then good luck trying to understand what the fuck my email is trying to say.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the article it specifies you to remove pronouns from your email signature. Definitely less fertile ground for malicious compliance, but it's still doable.

[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

End every email body with "For your response, I am referred to using (feminine/masculine/any/whatever) pronouns"

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Replace it with "[Insert Pronouns Here]". Make sure to have your desk already cleaned out though.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

You

FUCKING PRONOUNCE turns red and screams

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

Does the reader want to eliminate an entire part of speech? Then good luck trying to understand what the fuck the writer’s email is trying to say.

Could be fun. I bet ChatGPT could automate it.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

DeepSeek can automate it

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Does the reader want to eliminate an entire part of speech?

Which one are they going to outlaw next? Verbs? Or Adjectives?

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[–] socialmedia@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So is it alright to just assume trump is female? The email signature no longer states her preferred pronouns, so I think this is what she wants?

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago

She did sign that executive order designating everyone as female, too.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

So, rather than make it.a choice, the Reich Wing is anti-choice. As typical.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

my new bio: (masculine neutral/masculine possessive)

[–] superminerJG@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

but they banned mentioning gender, change it to (identifying with the societal archetype of the sex producing the small reproductive cell)

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

my new bio: (masculine neutral/masculine possessive)

Isn’t it nominative/objective?

I don’t see “he/his” or “they/their,” I see “he/him” and “they/them.”

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[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Oh no what a shame

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 4 days ago

I guess Trump doesn't want to be referred to as He/Him

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-appears-accidentally-declared-every-174749266.html
Hmmm, I see...

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

Use of pronouns outlawed. Now they have to say “that person” or call them by their name.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hope you're not named Elle.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago

Trump's idol **inrich ***mler would be offended too!

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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