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I started wondering about this for no particular reason I can think of. Who's idea was it? Was it supposed to be symbolic of something? Did they just start passing out pamphlets at rallies titled: "Forget everything you THINK you know about public greetings!"?

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[–] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 89 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As other people have said, it was borrowed from the Italian fascists, who themselves got it from an 18th century painting showing a famous event from Roman history/legend. There's no evidence that it was ever actually used in Ancient or Classical Rome.

Funny side story is that some Nazis and other German nationalists thought it wasn't 'German' enough, so the leading Nazis felt they had to invent an older 'Germanic' tradition to justify its usage. So, it's a fake German tradition that was in fact borrowed from the Italians, who got it from a fake Roman tradition that was actually made up by a French guy.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Both are mishmash and attributed to how the Romans legacy still fucks with shit

If you are unaware, Christianity was a Jewish sect that became a mainstay religion because of the Roman Emperor Constantine turning the Romans into Christians

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nah man. it was invented by the Flavians as a way to pacify Judea. it just got out of hand. get up to date with the cool new conspiracies.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Another day, another wild conspiracy theory to try and explain away the New Testament 😴

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By the time of Constantine Christianity was big already. They just stopped fighting it and embraced it, better to be the one controlling it that the one steamrolled by it.

Perhaps, like the Romans, some people just enjoy lying about weird foreign cults that worship the wrong things.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 points 1 year ago

Everybody knows that it was a fulfillment of Judaism 😂 tell us something we don't know

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Long story short, an italian nationalist through an made up interpretation thought it was used io ancient rome, used it in a film and the fascists in italy liked it so started using it. Then the nazis copied them.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Cultural appropriation huh

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Put yourself back in the day. No TV or internet. Public spectacles were pretty much the only entertainment. Any kind of parade was a big deal. Ever heard the phrase 'get on the band wagon?' On election days the political parties used to have wagons with a band and beer that would drive around town to get people to the polls.

Now look at some old Nazi documentaries. Those masses of people throwing their arms out like that? That looks great.

https://youtu.be/3_VeIf1M0M4

10 minute documentary on Hitler's best propagandist

[–] Cuberoot@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Bellamy salute was invented in the United States for peaceful purposes. The Nazis stole it (as they did with the swastika and the term Aryan) and applied it to evil. As Nazi symbols, they became more strongly associated with the humanitarian atrocities of that regime than with their original meanings, to the extent that decent people hesitate to use them anymore.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Someone else said it came from Italy. Is the origin hazy, or did* it get to the Nazis through Italy?

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

As best as I can understand, some anonymous person in the early modern period, 1600s-1700s made up this idea that the ancient Romans did this funny salute. It's an urban myth. There's no evidence that real ancient Romans ever used this practice.

Anyhow, the idea floated around for a while; it shows up in paintings in the 1700s. It was picked up by several political movements in the early 20th century, including Bellamy in the United States, and Mussolini, who was a big Romaboo. The Nazis did get the idea from their Italian allies.

[–] Cuberoot@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know. James Upham is credited with inventing the Bellamy salute and may have been inspired by the Roman Empire, or more likely by contemporary portrayals of it. Anyway, by 1930, nobody was heiling Caesar that way, but the salute was in use by American schoolchildren. On that basis, I stand by the claim that the Nazis stole it, directly or indirectly, from either the US, the Roman Empire, or Mussolini's Italy. It's a kind of cultural appropriation I find more palatable when done by people who don't then proceed to violently annex most of Europe.

[–] Jourei@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

No one mentioning Hitler trying to gauge air current of his car and the audience picking up on it? Was this a myth?