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[–] Auli@lemmy.ca -2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ok you don't want the way answer vote sonit doesn't happen. The second way guns.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 285 points 1 week ago (31 children)
[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 136 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Violence really, really fucking sucks.

It may be necessary, but if there's any other option you should look to that first. If it legitimately comes to violence a lot of innocent people are going to suffer in a big way.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 149 points 1 week ago (14 children)

There were other options. I think those other options failed at this point in time.

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[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

In all fairness there are non violent support roles

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 53 points 1 week ago

Somebody has to build the drones and c4 kits

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[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 91 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Couple of things:

  • Information : Keep creating and sharing reliable information. Not just opinions, information. We are still the majority, the US fascists is not world, we need to flood all the relevant platforms with our content.
  • Education: The reason these monsters have any credibility is because some people are too mentally weak to defend themself from misinformation. We need to educate around in any way possible. Everything counts, keep trying.
  • Humor is a powerful weapon. These people have giant ego and 0 humor. Let's keep ridicule them and have fun at their expense. They need to understand we have some things they can never touch, even with all the money in the world, solidarity, humour and camaraderie.
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[–] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Run for political office. The Democrats have no intention of fixing anything, let alone making things better.

And if you believe you're not qualified or don't know how to do the job, just remember that both parties are filled with incompetent fools, fakes, conspiracy crackpots, and morons. It would take considerable effort to do worse than some of the people in congress.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Well, both parties are also filled with money and other resources needed to ensure that only two parties can succeed.

We need alternative voices in office, but I don't think that's happening without some form of revolution. The best one can hope for in lieu of that is co-opting a party's direction over a span of decades, like the fascists did to the GOP.

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[–] punkwalrus@lemmy.world 67 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not mine, but from a post: First, you’re never going to win a head-on battle with an adversary that’s got you outgunned. That’s not the point of the Resistance. The point is to create friction, make it hard for your adversary to operate, to increase transaction costs.

Second, resistance doesn’t have to be a dramatic act. It can be a small act, like losing a sheet of paper, taking your time processing something, not serving someone in a restaurant. Small acts taken by thousands have big effects.

Third, use your privilege and access if you’ve got it. He and his buddies stole weapons from the Nazis by driving up with a truck to the weapons depot, speaking German, acting like it was a routine pick up, and driving away.

Fourth, part of the third point really, sometimes the best way to do things is right out in the open. Because no one will believe something like what you’re doing would be happening so blatantly. All good Social Engineers know this.

Five, bide your time. But be ready for opportunity when it strikes. Again, your action need not be dramatic. Just a little sand in the gears helps.

Six, and this is a no-brainer, operate in cells to limit damage to the resistance should they take you out. Limit the circulation of info to your cell, avoid writing things down and...

Seven, be very careful with whom you trust. Snitches and compromised individuals are everywhere. My dad was arrested because of a snitch. His friends weren’t so lucky, the Gestapo machine gunned the cabin they were in without bothering to try and arrest them.

Eight, use the skills you have to contribute. Dad was an electrical engineer. When the Nazis imposed the death penalty for owning a radio (the British sent coded messages to the Resistance after BBC shows) he said he became the most popular guy in town.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 6 days ago (5 children)

I'm not sure how applicable this is to the current situation.

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[–] AnthropomorphicCat@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that the answer is against the Terms Of Service of this instance.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"A Riot is the language of the unheard"

-Martin Luther King Jr.

"When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable"

-John F. Kennedy

As per lemmy.world rules, I'm obligated to say that I do not condone violence, just quoting some people, interpret it however you wish to. 😉

[–] hoss@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 6 days ago

O.K.! 😉🤫🤭

[–] JollyG@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I am writing this with the assumption that you are tacitly asking about US politics because of the moment in history. What I have to say will make people mad, but here goes:

A lot of the people on this webzone are what Eitan Hersh called "political hobbyists". These are people who do not really take political action in their daily life despite voting or occasionally attending a rally. They may be well informed about politics, but being well-informed in itself is not really effective at changing politics. You can get on your phone and "rub the glass" to complain about politics, or to find people who agree with you. But outrage on social media won't change anything, and if rubbing the glass and occasionally voting is all you do, then you are a political hobbyist.

Political hobbyism mostly functions as a consumerist approach to political engagement. A political hobbyist will passively receive news and information about politics, but will never really try to change anything, because to them engaging in a news feed is all they really do. That consumerism is painfully apparent here when, for example, posters denounce a Democratic candidate as being "not exciting" or someone they are "not passionate about" as if the candidate was the newest model in a brand of laptops that failed to zazzle in Q3. We see signs of political hobbyism again when political parties are treated as entities that are somehow completely separate from the public. For example when a lemmy user denounces the Democratic party for not doing what they want. "The Democrats need to do X!" Why are you complaining about that on the internet? You know the DNC isn't reading these threads right?

If you really wanted to influence the Democratic party (which I think is the best bet for resisting fascism right now) why aren't you lobbying the party? Why aren't you mobilizing voter bases? Why aren't you building political power in your local community so you can influence larger political organizations? Because its hard, because you don't know where to start, because you are busy? Ok, but fascism is coming, and you are too busy to do anything about it. Or too overwhelmed to even try?

The truth is, if you wanted your ideas (and I am including here opposition to fascism as an idea) to influence policy, or what candidates gain traction in nomination races, then you should have been working on that LOOOOONNNNNG before the national candidate was nominated. Treating the Democratic party as a vendor that offers political products is a losing strategy for gaining influence. There will be an endless parade of glass rubbers ready to denounce the various political parties, but by and large, they didn't do anything to gain influence with those parties. Their denouncements are ignored, they are irrelevant. My advice is to ignore the glass-rubbers. Identify one or two local issues in your physical area and try to improve them. What you should do is find a little slice of America (or your own country if you are not American) and try to make it better. Use those efforts to build up influence at higher levels. My goal here was to convince you not to listen to the glass rubbers. But my advice for resisting fascism is: Try to build political networks, try to mobilize local voters in local issue elections. Doing this will make your network an invaluable asset to larger (state and national) organizations. If you have a network of voters, of issue conscious citizens, or donors, larger organizations are going to want to leverage that network when it comes time for lager races. That gives you leverage. That gives you power. The glass-rubbers are going to tell you that is impossible. Its not. People do it all the time. The book I cited has examples of people doing it. Fascist conservative groups do it all the time. So why not you?

I will admit, this is hard. When I first read Hersh's book I was offended, because when he was describing political hobbyists, he was describing me. But it did give me some motivation to think about politics from the perspective of power. And set me down the road of trying to do all things I wrote about here. It is early days for me yet, and I have only seen limited success. My work complicates things. I am busy, and often overwhelmed. But fascism is coming.

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[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Ok, so serious answer for our friends who don't live in places without an active culture of protest:

  1. Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn't be in this mess.

  2. Give money to advocacy organizations

  3. Give your time and money to mutual aid organizations

  4. Read the news (not just on lemmy either)

  5. CALL your congresspeople. Emails and letters are better than nothing, but do not have the same impact.

  6. Try to get your friends to do #1-5

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)
  1. Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn't be in this mess.

You would think that, but the reality is probably that out if everyone who didn't vote you would get an even spread so they really don't make that big of a difference. Take other countries where voting is compulsory like Brazil and Argentina and they also elected extreme right clowns.

out if everyone who didn’t vote you would get an even spread

I don't think that's necessarily true. I suspect that the median non-voter is less wealthy than that of the voters.

Take other countries where voting is compulsory

We have compulsory voting in Australia. Presently we have a progressive (left of centre) government. It's possible or likely that we will elect a right of centre government this year, but not extreme right clowns.

[–] shortrounddev@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Millei is necessary for Argentina. Would be a bad president in America but that country desperately needed austerity

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[–] nintendiator@feddit.cl 0 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Vote. No, really. If people actually fucking voted, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

Trump won with the popular vote.

A key element to defeat things like fascism, which build themselves on the popularity of fear, is that voting can't be free-for-all. Voting should require, or be weighed with, some sort of licensing, testing of sane mind, awareness and understanding of at least current events, review of known association with dangerous anti-society parties, etc.

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[–] luce@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 1 week ago (10 children)

What can you do as an individual? not much. A community? Now we're talking.

Find people to fight fascism with.

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[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Organize en masse using a common enemy (billionaires). Fascists win when they are able to successfully divide and conquer, which they have been very successful at.

There's a very good reason both neoliberals and fascists have been working so hard for so long to distract the masses from who's causing the real issues in society.

We can't let them shut us down this time, like they did with Occupy Wall Street, the George Floyd protests, the hippy movement, MLK Jr.'s economic movement. We need to stay controversial and constantly active so we can stay in the news cycle (much like how Trump has been able to dominate the news cycle since 2015). If they try to distract us, we must counter at every step of the way.

Workers have the real power in society, and the oligarchs can't survive without us. The sooner we all realize that, the better.

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[–] paulpaul@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Check this book with 20 relatively specific actions written by a historian https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Tyranny

Also here are the rules briefly summarized. https://scholars.org/contribution/twenty-lessons-fighting-tyranny-twentieth

I think this one rings particularly strong today.

  1. Take responsibility for the face of the world. The symbols of today enable the reality of tomorrow. Notice the swastikas and other signs of hate. Do not look away, and do not get used to them. Remove them yourself and set an example for others to do so.
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