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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 138 points 5 months ago (21 children)
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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 90 points 5 months ago (2 children)

You don't say, Nintendo. Pretty sure they're also using open source emulators, from the developers they really hate, to run their older titles.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 39 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Idk their emulation is garbage except for the suspension and rewind. A lot of the open source emulation I have seen, especially of Nintendo products, is immaculate.

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[–] IceFoxX@lemm.ee 88 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So the lawyer says that Nintendo, despite knowing that the emulators themselves are legal, has unlawfully caused take downs and reputational damage. Sounds kind of illegal

[–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Not really. It sounds like they haven't gone after them for emulation, but instead for emulation-adjacent things: copying ROMs, circumventing digital locks, etc.

They explicitly mention (one of?) the developers of Yuzu sharing ROMs in the article.

In other words, the emulator itself isn't illegal, but in order to use the emulator the way most people want, you have to do illegal things, and that's what they go after you for.

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[–] g1ya777@lemmy.world 77 points 5 months ago (54 children)
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[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 67 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

The top IP lawyer at Nintendo agreed that emulators are technically legal at a panel for intellectual property rights.

They run afoul of the law when they bypass encryption, recreate copyrighted programs, or point users to pirated material.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 43 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, this wasn't an admission because it's a well-known fact that is not inconsistent with Nintendo's earlier actions. The headline is deceptive and people don't read the article. The article itself contains no new information and it is only worth reading for someone who has been deceived by the headline and needs to be set straight by the same people who wrote the deceptive headline. It's click bait that shouldn't exist.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Nintendo used to have a page on emulation on their website incorrectly claiming that it was always illegal and all emulators had solely been created to enable piracy. This new claim is not compatible with their previous action of having that page.

[–] kipo@lemm.ee 36 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Repeal the DMCA. One of the worst pieces of legislation ever passed.

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 55 points 5 months ago (4 children)

There's nothing new in this article. And I don't think Nintendo ever said that emulation is illegal, just emulating their games is, which technically is true to some part at least in the United States, where sometimes you need to circumvent some security measures to get games emulated which is a forbidden (this is mentioned in the article).

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

emulation is only legal if you pay Nintendo to steal open-source code for their emulator as a service subscription

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[–] QubaXR@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yea, if I recall correctly, the Yuzu team was sharing roms of latest Nintendo releases internally and Nintendo was able to prove it. At least Jeff Gerstman podcast suggested something to that accord when reporting on it.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

Yeah and the Yuzu people had made something like 4 million bucks on the project too. When you start making serious cash off of tools for piracy (and when we're talking about a current-gen console that's essentially what it is, not a tool for preservation like older emulators) then you should expect some heat to come your way.

Nintendo has always been a bit on the bastardly side of things when it comes to fan projects but I can't say that I blame them for going after Yuzu when they felt like they had a winnable case.

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Get a load of the nerd reading the articles and making informed opinions. Just join the rest of us in mindless circle jerking.

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[–] Trilobite@lemm.ee 46 points 5 months ago

Nintendo lost my business long ago nothing they make or say will get me to buy another Nintendo product

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 33 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Needless to say I will not be buying a Switch 2 today.

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I imagine the steam deck will be capable of emulating switch 2 titles nearly immediately, so there’s little reason to buy it. They really need to make their hardware comparable to their software (minus the notoriously awful Japan™ netcode)

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Emulating Switch 2 games on the Steam Deck would be a challenge. Even though it's on an outdated process node, I think it's fair to say it's in the same class of hardware as a Steam Deck (which is 3 years old at this point).

Deck 2, though...

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

Good luck getting someone to continue emulation development. The only potential chance for development is exclusively on the under web, and the dev has said that "this was supposed to be a hobby" meaning they have an out if they don't want to continue

[–] Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Yeah you'll have to wait until at least march

[–] sma3in@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

we know emulation is legal, but we're still going to legally have a legal reason to take y'all emulators to court angry face

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago

See also: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

Strategic lawsuits against public participation (also known as SLAPP suits or intimidation lawsuits), or strategic litigation against public participation, are lawsuits intended to censor, intimidate, and silence critics by burdening them with the cost of a legal defense until they abandon their criticism or opposition

There are many, many variants. The idea is the smaller player can't really afford to fight in court, so even if the larger actor has shaky legal claims they will still win.

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[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I prefer my nintendont 2 (aka steam deck). Fuck Nintendo bastards and taking down all cool emulator free software projects.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So when they shut down Ryujinx and Yuzu, was it basically "Stop running this emulator or we will ruin your lives with legal bills"?

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Iirc, and take this with a grain of salt, ryujinx actually got paid by Nintendo to stop development.

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[–] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Nintendo needs to burn. The fact they can just shut down whatever they want is disgusting and needs to be stopped.

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[–] audaxdreik@pawb.social 19 points 5 months ago (5 children)

With the Switch 2 announcement, it's kind of clear that they aren't even trying to be a tech company anymore. While not every last one of their consoles released was a true innovation, it did feel like something that was built into part of their brand. Now we just have the Switch 2 which is mostly what you'd expect with some decent QoL upgrades.

Nintendo is pursuing the walled garden approach. You're barely even buying a console anymore, a lot of this hardware has more or less converged. What you're buying is access to the cultivated ecosystem. Like everything else these days, they entice you in with the big, recognizable brands and hope there's enough else to keep you there. Emulators straight pierce that veil and it's why they went so hard on them.

I'm not criticizing (too heavily) the people that choose to hold on to the franchises they love, but once you step outside and choose alternatives, there's very little to bring you back. Pokemon lost me a few gens ago, honestly not the biggest Zelda fan, and Mario alone won't do it for me. Metroid and Starfox are scattershot ... Personally I'll stick with the Steam Deck and wait for Switch 2 emulation to roll around. And if it doesn't, there are just so many other games to play these days.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

. You’re barely even buying a console anymore, a lot of this hardware has more or less converged. What you’re buying is access to the cultivated ecosystem.

Bingo. In an age where most people's phones have better hardware than the Switch, it's all about access to the walled garden instead of hardware.

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[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think Nintendo ever tried to be a tech company. They have always been a game company first and foremost. If they were ever a kind of tech company, the closest analogy would be Apple, another company that focused on consumer electronics.

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[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 15 points 5 months ago

"please buy our new switch"

nah, i m good.

[–] jared@mander.xyz 14 points 5 months ago

Fuck Nintendo!!!

[–] Razzazzika@lemm.ee 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What bugs me is i thought it was cause of the switch 2 pending, but turns out the switch 2 won't be fully backwards compatible

[–] stooth64@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (9 children)

The Switch 2 has a new hardware size and some software (like Labo and Ring Fit) has a physical component that is sized to the original Switch/Joy-Con. It could be referring to that.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No shit, it's been case law since the 90s (Bleem, Connectix). The recent cases haven't been about emulation, but decryption keys lifted from the BIOS.

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[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (4 children)

If they spent half their lawyer money on making good games they wouldn't be losing money to competition

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 10 points 5 months ago

Back to the forks bois

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

I was a life long Nintendo fan boy. I have every system excluding the virtual boy cuz of the headaches, and the Wii u because I was under employed when it released. I stopped buying Nintendo after Gary Bowser, their software is janky, and bad for 2000's level of web portal. I had already complained to Nintendo as a long term investor, and instead of innovating their software and hardware, they litigate away anything that might be considered competition and sue into poverty anyone that alters the devices. I never altered my switch, but I stand on the side of the hackers because Nintendo desperately needed to create a quality software core for their switch family. They want their software to be an extremely basic game launcher, and in modern software terms, that's just incompetent. I stopped buying Nintendo because Nintendo stopped innovating their software, started litigating their profits, and relied solely on old worn out IP instead of creating something new and fresh. You know how many new games are gonna launch on switch 2? Less than 5. Know what one of the first 10 games is gonna be? Mario. Want another? Probably a racing game that's another rehash but has something blandly new and shiny, like space ship racing with gerbils(instead of diddy Kong racing, or jet ski racing etc). Nintendo has no new IP ideas, and while I was mostly OK suffering through the tired old crap to get to whatever gameplay innovation they made, they seem to have abandoned the gameplay innovation entirely, and are just suing people to force them to play their games the way they want, even if they already received money for the game and system. Whatever they might have in store for the switch 2, so long as Gary Bowser is living in debt to Nintendo, I will never purchase another Nintendo product new, ever again, and I will only purchase used if they have an absolute banger of a game, but I'm only buying that used as well. No profit to Nintendo. I can buy off eBay.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 5 months ago

Yeah, that's why I've been exclusively pirating and emulating your switch games, and will continue to do so

Nintendo never gets my money again, and it's been a better experience so far doing so

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