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Reading into this too much is dumb. Random poster fight on the internet. Yeah, there's a lot of reactionary Americans. Hate them sure. Hating all Americans is obviously dumb and misanthropic, though I don't blame people who are victims of US imperialism for feeling that way.

That's pretty much it.

It's hilarious how much USAmericans shits their pants whenever anyone shows them the same sort of contempt they have for the rest of humanity lmao

You don't get to seamlessly go from "Glass the middle east/China/Russia/North Korea!" to "Why can't we all just get along?" without people asking questions

Maoist third-worldist that supports reactionary, bourgeois movements in the global north solely because it oppresses westerners.

“Now, there's one thing you might have noticed I don't complain about: politicians. Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from American parents and American families, American homes, American schools, American churches, American businesses and American universities, and they are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Americans. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.”

― George Carlin

I mostly just see the tweet as anti-americanism, which has become more popular as the US keeps trying to mantain its hegemony. Its true the material conditions of the average american will worsen with the lost of the hegemony

I don't really see how how the tweet is nihilism or misantropy.

Also i think postingforever is right in bringing revolutionary defeatism, because the USA should lose its hegemony and that will negatively impact the US worker and force them to either accept socialism or barbarism

A person who is okay with the American ruling class but hates regular Yanks is obviously imaginary, so the left being criticized here is the one that wishes ill on regular Americans (in this case probably the victims of those fires in California). I would compare those leftists to so-called anti-white racists or misandrists, in that they do not exist in any real social way and as far as they have an ideology it has absolutely no vitality. Similarly, criticizing them as if they are a danger to the movement is a form of white/male/Yank chauvinism, respectively.

I don't expect working class solidarity from the people at the imperial core while they are still benefactors from my oppression, even if it is indirectly. They should already know that their luxuries are in great part a product of our exploitation and if they are ignorant about it it is not my fault, fuck them. The day I see them organized and giving substantial help to our struggles in the global south I might change my mind. They are not willing to give up their privileges in order to enact real and concrete international solidarity.

"Workers of the world unite" is a nice phrase, but call me when there are any American blue/white collar workers organized with Congolese cobalt miners or Mexican factory workers.

The same amount of money that can feed a Global South worker for a month is spent in a weekend to buy useless shit for fun by an average American/Western-European worker, the latter is not prepared to renounce to their treats. Maybe one day they won't be able to afford them anymore... I wanna see how they will react.

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The American people as a collective are our enemies.

That doesnt mean I wish harm upon all of them but there are probably parts of the population that we wont be able to reach even under the best possible circumstances.

imo they're mostly just tone-policing this "Miroslav" person. Broadly if people outside the US say that kind of stuff I'm sympathetic to it because they've been on the receiving end of US economic warfare or military intervention.

If somebody had a sincere conversation with them rather than an antagonistic back-and-forth on hitlerite social media, they probably wouldn't elaborate their beliefs as a genuine desire to see every person in the US die or suffer.

I wish harm to the American ruling class

i used to be way more bitter about Americans and the west having access to covid vaccines and refusing to give it to the rest of the world, thinking they deserve covid. even then i thought pharma ceos should go into the woodchipper though.

now i think American ignorance (and bigotry) comes from the political environment rather than anything 'intrinsic' about them.

i mean someone on this site told me that sandy hook was good because those kids were growing up in Connecticut, so they're gonna turn out to be insurance execs and bankers anyways which is way worse than what this dude said

i just can't be one of those people to say "yeah lol line me up against the wall and blow my brains out, i'll even help!"

i do get people feeling this way. especially anyone on the business end of american Imperialism. i won't fault them

but yeah i've stated it before but genocide bad, no matter what. that's all i'll say.

Not American, but from a western imperialist nation with a lot of similar incentives so I still relate to this a lot and spent a fair amount of time thinking about it.

Whenever I read public discourse I can't help but think my country is filled with insufferable, ignorant, smug selfish pricks who couldn't care less about other people's suffering. However, maybe this is a hot take, but does it really matter? Realistically you're never gonna make a difference anywhere else in the world. The people around you are what you have to work with, it's where you have to find like-minded people and organize and try to change minds and hopefully find friends and connections. You can go around and wish suffering on the people around you instead, but that's not going to achieve anything other than make people creeped out and not want to be around you.

It's also worth keeping in mind that violent, reactionary brainrot exists everywhere, and has plenty of political power most places. Western chauvinism is just the most uniquely destructive kind. You're probaly not going to be happy with the general population no matter where you go.

At a certain point, many people of diverse backgrounds who languish under American yoke, WILL eventually ask themselves; do I want to die, to suffer, to burn my life for a people who will put me in a concentration camp?

It's a self-evident truth; solidarity has to be a two-way street, otherwise it dies, simple as

All I can see is libs getting mad at god-tier posting, as usual

I'm just skimming all of this but as a communist I'm interested in also improving the lives of people I don't like. Not like...class enemies but I am trying to make the lives of some less well off chuds better because I'm not a moralist. There is a line that can't be crossed and generally you need some degree of power to cross it. Americans mostly suck, I'm candian we mostly suck and I'd rather see our more harmless naysayers eat crow and fall into line by seeing their material conditions genuinely improve, there's some Renfields in the mix and they can get the pit but I think most people are just following the money at the end of the day and would be hard to mislead down these garden paths if they had their basic needs met, without a foreign entity to blame for a problem that no longer exists, most people will default to apathy. People won't suck if you make it so the things around em don't suck, and most people will just kinda go with whatever status quo works for them until it doesn't. Powerless randoms on the wrong side of things can be obstacles, but if they aren't picking up a gun then they're propaganda obstacles, culture war obstacles. You got to know who your enemy is and also when to attack and when to bypass. Online do whatever but irl be tactical and tactful, pitch what communism can do for YOU

one person say that barbarism critic is "the brianna wu of 2025. Remember kids I called it"

Idk if I'd go that far, but her radicalism is very selective at times. There are so many issues on which I'll see a barbarism critic take and go "yeah, this is 100% something a well paid software engineer working remotely in a low cost of living area of the US would think".

Most people in the global North but especially Americans only seem to get indignant over consumer issues. Like the arguments of not being able to afford quality boots or 1000 hour lightbulbs. Or whining they can’t afford eggs in response to prospect of the US expanding its borders and all the bloodshed that could lead to.

Without real theory, these ideas collapse into ur-fascist nostalgia.

I had a contempt that kicked in today, as it does off and on lately. All this agitation and activism, and so many people around me shrug their shoulders or go out of their way to justify repeating the Holocaust on other people, again and again. And then these spineless pieces of shit claim to be "good people", or "Christians".

Some of this activism is the only thing keeping me feeling like a human lately. I want my family and my estranged friends to suffer as badly as the people in Gaza suffer. But I try and shove those thoughts down and plan my schedule out for more org work.

Some boomers in their boomermobile locking eyes with you while you're waving a Palestine flag and flipping you off. The American people deserve suffering.

Would she hold it against a Palestinian from Gaza who prays that the fire completely consume LA?

that often posted redsails brainwashing article is probably relevant here

I will defend this man with my life

even being an empoc and trans hostage of this hellstate i can't really fault the global south for feeling this way and wouldn't care to argue about it. that said i am absolutely discounting it when it comes from eurolibs in the imperial bloc (this includes canada and au/nz) and self-flagellating americans, that shit is goofy as hell.

Best I can do is share some jumbled thoughts, cause I’m still wrapping my head around that episode. It was really good, but I should listen again because I think I missed a lot. it definitely got me interested in reading his work though. His latest book is actually free on the publisher’s website

Undoubtedly, the American ruling class is an enemy. But we also have to contend with the complicit masses who, even if they have a world to win, believe that they have more to lose when the world moves beyond capitalism and overthrows American hegemony. These complicit masses (whether it’s the petit bourgeois or the white proletariat or another) also represent an enemy to the revolution. Whether the continued decay of capitalism and the desperate barbarism of American hegemony emboldens their reactionary moment (fascism) or creates a progressive/revolutionary moment (post capitalism/socialism) is TBD, and I think we’re seeing movement in both (good and bad) directions.

Honestly, just being an American's made the American people my enemy. Increasingly convinced that even the well-meaning ones have never actually accomplished anything. They're either evil or just some of the most useless pieces of shit on the planet. (I'm a bit of both)

The ruling class has no power the American people don't give them. They aren't kings or warlords. If the president wanted to take a cookie from me he could not do it. No small part of the American people take it for him though.