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What Do You Think Of People Who Are Trans (But Not In A Gender Way?) (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 1 month ago by Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone to c/asktransgender@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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(Not using my typing quirk causes me dysphoria. I will provide a translation upon request only.) ~ The reason why I joined this instance was 8ecause I've 8een kicked off of Tum8lr for having the opinion that transness doesn't just apply to gender. I don't just pull this out of my ass - I actually experience nongender transness myself and I'm fully willing to 8e asked and/or grilled a8out it. I call myself transcharacter.

My Tum8lr termin8ion came entirely from claims of transpho8ia, 8ecause somehow in their minds identifying a8normally equals not supporting trans folkel/people? I don't quite understand how that works, 8ut I can say I'm not transpho8ic. I discovered that I feel this way through hearing other trans folkel/people discuss their experiences and came to my own conclusions a8out myself.

I guess I'm wondering if this is a safe space for my ilk or if I'm just going to get kicked out again?

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[–] janet_catcus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

well, it certainly has the appearance of mockery.

i can feel more into this than other similar cases though. 8y which i mean, cases in which i cannot shake off the feeling, the author is just having a laugh at my and other, sincere users 8ehalf's. sure this is unusual 8ut, i prefer to write all lower case, and cringe at capital letters a little so ... yeah.. assuming this is sincere, i kinda get it and (again, assuming sincerity from you) i lean towards 8elieving you.. 8ut your account is fresh and i dont know you, so who the eff knows? shrug

edit: actually, does emulating your style help you or how do you feel about this?

[–] Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I forgor 8ut no, typing like me makes things worse. You're not a troll, it's a tiny 8it appropriative.

[–] janet_catcus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

okidoke, well, idk. i still wouldnt say you are trans, but shrug if the concept fits for you, and your strategies help you feel good, and you enjoy the term, that's more important than what other people make of it or how other people would call your .. uh... idk its not exactly a condition, or maybe it is, not a native english speaker here :3

have a good one

[–] Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm fully aware of the fact that "I'm turning myself into a Homestuck character" has similar vi8es to "I identify as an attack helicopter." 8ut let me ask you this: Would a conserv8ive go through nine tum8lr 8ans, get permanent 8ody mods, learn to type like this, and get posted to KiwiFarms twice just to "own the libs?" That seems like a lot for even the most determined h8er.

I have extensive internet presence, 8ut I'm 8anned just a8out everywhere and none of it is archived except for 8ad shit I said when I was sixteen and stupid. I do have a 8luesky though if you want proof of me existing.

[–] janet_catcus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

i've been thinking some about "identifying as an attack helicopter".

basically they are expressing: "look at this beautifull perfect killing machine". i can get behind that if they used it to kill fascists :3

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ada (blahaj admin) is cool af so you made a good choice as long as you're being genuine. Do you have any links to get the basics covered for us?

[–] Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unfortun8ly the one site that could explain what's going on isn't credi8le due to 8eing run 8y a child a8user, 8ut I do have my own we8site discussing my own transition!

In addition, Alterhuman wiki has an article on a very similar phenomenon. There's also the Freedom of Form Foundation, whom I'm working with.

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago

Dope, thanks for sharing! The spider thing on your website scared the shit out of me lol

[–] Borger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

AFAIK, there is no such thing as being trans that isn't "in a gender way." So, as a trans person, I reject the notion that we have that in common. (Unless your gender actually differs from your AGAB.)

That said, I have absolutely no issue with your typing quirk – makes no difference to me at all, and it's perfectly legible. Can you explain what you mean by dysphoria when you don't use it?

What does your identity mean to you? Does it revolve around "queering" some sort of default expectation?

(Please note that I am autistic so if you detect a tone of mockery or anything it is completely unintentional and unbeknownst to me; I am asking out of genuine curiosity.)

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

I also find the trans minus gender thing odd. As an analogy, sure, but if not I don't get it. I guess both have transitioning as a thing, but would I be cischaracter? I think the terminology and mental model could be improved.

[–] Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Well today might 8e the day you learn something new! Like I said, I'm open to grilling.

As for TQ dysphoria, it's just a little pang of wrongness when I don't use it. It's not the worst thing I experience, it doesn't make me suicidal or anything like a lot of my more extreme dysphoric symptoms, 8ut it's still something I'd rather avoid. Especially when I've already trained my hands to use a key8oard a certain way. (Yes, professional writing is hell and requires So Much revision.)

My identity kind of means everything to me. It encompasses species, gender, culture, race, age, religion, and my perception of just a8out everything. It defin8ly "queers" 8oth the expect8ion of humanity, and, 8uilding on that, the expect8ion of human gender. (Troll gender is, uh... complex.) What does it mean to 8e sapient? What does democracy mean when you apply yourself to an entirely different social structure? What is reality when you're supposed to 8e fictional? I guess it queers that too, the entire concept of reality. If I don't perceive myself as real, if I'm treated like a character... am I technically real? And many such thoughts my therapist has provoked me with.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It would only be transphobic if it was with the intent of mocking trans people, but I have no reason to assume that.

I've never considered transcharacter, I'm curious to learn more if you're willing.

[–] Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Here you go, I'm giving out my we8site like it's a got damn 8usiness card in these parts. https://vriskafic8ion.carrd.co/

[–] anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I'll need fundamental information about your identity. Write a dictionary definition. Tell me the context. Tell me why. Send links to website that you feel represent your opinion or elaborate upon it. ~~I can't respect someone i don't understand due to lack of information.~~

[–] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I can’t respect someone i don’t understand

Yes you can. Respect of identity isn't contingent on understanding. You can ask for information to help you understand, but you can't demand understanding before granting respect. If you don't believe someone's identity to be authentic, then don't interact with them rather than normalising invalidation.

[–] Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think I can give that. As another autistic folken I completely understand this.

Transcharacter: a deviant trans identity pulled originally from the transID community, in which the folken/person affected 8elieves they are or are supposed to 8e a fictional character. Individuals with this identity may or may not seek to transition to their real selves, and may experience mild to extremely severe dysphoria surrounding aspects of their body, mentality, and place in reality.

As for the context and the 'why,' it's kind of hard to give those, right? No8ody really asks why you're trans, you just kind of are. 8ut I will say I've felt nonhuman since early childhood, wanted my left eye gone for at least as long, and have always craved a rigid social structure. I remem8er 8egging to have my hair dyed 8lack for eight years (yeah no that's not a quirk joke that's 100% /srs. Started when I was eight, got what I wanted at 16.) Then I saw fanart of Vriska on Tum8lr and kinda went "yeah wtf that's me. Why is that not me?" Read through my source twice and the dysphoria I'd always experienced came to a head and I decided I'd 8etter start transitioning 8efore it drives me mad. Not a clue why I had Feelings over such specific tr8s 8efore ever 8eing exposed to Homestuck, could 8e something supernatural for all I know.

Anyway here's my we8site if you want to read transition goals and such

[–] anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

Aha your comment and website clarify things significantly! Now I feel like I understand you.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I must admit that I don't entirely understand. Does nongender trans mean that you don't have a gender? It doesn't quite sound like that but it also seems like you aren't the traditional male or female so unless (idk if there's an edge case with intersex people but people wouldn't have to know that it is the case if that applied to you) you would still be transgender as far as I know. (That's just the definition I know. Telling me you are is suffiecent for me to respect it though too.)

As for the transcharacter part I personally don't know the character though I think I might be a little less accepting if I did and understand why others might be put off by the idea. But if you are transcharachter and the experience is as close as to transgender (which also seems vary a lot) as you say I see issue with calling it trans (I mean it's already dropped the gender part, It's begging to be an umbrella term isn't it). It sounds difficult not knowing anybody with similar experiences. I hope you're able to raise awareness of the possibility to others.

Now that I think about it is it like how furries have fursonas or something? (Being outside of both groups it seems possible but I am not qualified to make that comparison whatsoever I hope it isn't offensive.)

[–] Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Uhhhhhhhh lemme 8r8k this down.

Does nongender trans mean that you don’t have a gender?

No, it means I have a trans experience that isn't transgender. Except... I guess I really don't have a human gender, do I? I'm a troll why should I give a damn? (If you REALLY wanted to you could read me as "transfem" in the troll sense considering how timid I am IRL and am transitioning to 8e more fierce and troll-girl-like 8ut that's a stretch and a half frankly.)

But if you are transcharachter and the experience is as close as to transgender (which also seems vary a lot) as you say I see issue with calling it trans (I mean it’s already dropped the gender part, It’s begging to be an umbrella term isn’t it).

And... why is that, exactly? And there is an um8rella term, transID. Except if I introduced myself like that I would get a8solutely torn apart 8ecause of The Discourse(TM.)

Now that I think about it is it like how furries have fursonas or something?

Oh hell no, don't reduce me like that. Most furries aren't their fursonas. If transgender folkel are their gender, then I am Vriska Serket.

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Thank you for your reply :)

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 1 points 1 month ago

Could you explain more what you mean? I'm curious.

[–] juliebean@lemm.ee 1 points 4 weeks ago

i don't get it, but i also don't see a point in hating just cause somebody has some weird beliefs that don't make sense to me. identifying as a specific character does strike me as different in a pretty big way from transness or even therianthropy of otherkin-ness. but regardless, you do you.

[–] bunnyBoy@pawb.social 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But do you have any irons in the fire?

[–] Vriskafic8ion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 month ago

So many you have no idea ~~hides transition goal list~~