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https://mas.to/@MikeBeas/113666556469008087

EDIT: I think you should get the service you pay for, just so that's clear.

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[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 2 points 12 minutes ago

I don't care what that guy thinks.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 2 hours ago

Mike is not wrong. In fact, he's very clearly laying out why insurance companies should not exist.

I'm not sure that was the argument he was trying to make though.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 47 minutes ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

he’s very clearly laying out why insurance companies should not exist.

He's laying the case for why insurance must either operate as a public loss-leader or a privatized scam. But I don't think he really understands the bottom layer of the argument.

All I'm seeing is "Insurance is business. Business need to make money. Therefore denying claims is good aktuly." There's no "ah ha" bit at the end where he recognizes their predatory nature.

[-] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 1 points 9 minutes ago

Do you guys think politicians have a duty to adhere to their campaign promises? They're not under oath. They have no responsibility to improve anyone's life. They're a business to win votes to alter policy in their favour.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 32 points 5 hours ago

UnitedHealth Group is so vertically integrated that, in fact they do own doctors, hospitals and pharmacies under the Optum brand. So yes, they do have a duty to take care of people even if they act like they don't.

[-] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 9 hours ago

it's a business that helps you pay your bills

Quite the opposite, it's a business that makes your bills expensive.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 24 points 8 hours ago

This gaslighting won't work anymore

[-] drolex@sopuli.xyz 38 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, similarly, Burger King doesn't have to give you the whopper you've paid for. BK employees didn't take an oath to feed you whoppers. They only have taken an oath to the managers, who have taken an oath to the CEO, who has taken an oath to Friedrich Hayek and the shareholders to make shitloads in dividends, as is their social responsibility. Everything is working just fine in our society thanks to these nice concepts.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 41 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

Burger King doesn’t have to give you the whopper you’ve paid for.

The analogy breaks down because BK has an immediate cash-for-commodity relationship with the clients. If you had BK a $5 and they don't give you a sandwich, you stop going.

But insurance takes your $5 up front in exchange for assuming the risk that you might need care in the future. You keep giving UHC $5 day after day and week after week, receiving nothing tangible in exchange. It is only when the risk materializes, at the moment you need care, that you ask UHC for money back and they say "No".

This leads some people to advocate for health savings accounts as a replacement for private insurance. But then you have to deal with the possibility of a medical claim that exceeds your balance. So you get conversations about risk-pooling. But that just takes you back around to insurance companies again.

All of this is in an effort to discourage people from implementing public free-at-point-of-use health care (a la the NHS). The idea that we would simply have hospitals you can go to when you're sick, in the same way we have elementary schools to go to when you're young or fire departments to go to when you are on fire, is so totally alien to the hyper-individualist profit-fixated neoliberal capitalist that it never seems to come up in conversation.

[-] drolex@sopuli.xyz 2 points 28 minutes ago

I'm launching my burger insurance company

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

Insurance is a racket. Is that what Lil Mikey is saying?

[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 157 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Without realizing it, Mike Beasley makes a great argument for why private, for-profit health insurance shouldn't exist.

[-] The_Terrible_Humbaba@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

As some who has no clue who Mike Beasley is, that seems like a perfectly legitimate Interpretation. A lot of people, like the one he is replying too, knowingly or not are defending the existing system and the existence of health insurances companies.

I mean, forget about health for a second: we all know insurance companies fucking suck, and they are essentially just a symptom of a shitty system. So why are we fighting/wishing/hoping for them to be run better/more empathetically instead of wanting a different system?

I think the his comment can be seen as a call-out of how some people are missing the root of the issue.

[-] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 11 hours ago

It's like all the media that think they are defending Brian Thompson by saying he was less horrible than the average healthcare CEO. Sometimes I wonder if they are making an argument for resurrecting the guillotine industry.

[-] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 12 points 11 hours ago

You know... that kinda vow would be a great idea! Doctors take an oath like thing too, right?

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 100 points 16 hours ago

"It's a business" is not a justification for evil, and yet that's always how the phrase is used.

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 43 points 15 hours ago

It’s my understanding that health insurance companies hire doctors, who have taken the hypocritical oath, to review claims and deny them.

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[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 52 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

The very concept of paying for health care through insurance is evil.

Why do we even allow a profit motive to deny health care? Should be straight up illegal.

[-] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 11 points 13 hours ago
[-] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

Oh, look, it's the guy who doesn't know what a meme is and insists on spamming it all the time

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

And the guy who proved that their bio:

I say unpopular things but never something I know to be untrue. Always open to hear good-faith counter arguments. My goal is to engage in dialogue that seeks truth rather than scoring points.

Was a lie yesterday.

[-] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 17 points 14 hours ago

We should stop calling it "insurance", it doesn't ensure anything. We should call it what it is - a protection racket. Either that, or we could refer to it as "medical loans" - of course, it's all paid in advance, in many installments. Oh wait. That's just defining a protection racket again, isn't it?

[-] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

It’s a protection racket similar to the mob, except the mob has scruples and will actually protect you if you pay up. If you don’t pay up, broken kneecaps.

Health insurance is just paying for broken kneecaps. If the mob ran healthcare we’d have better outcomes than we currently do, let’s be real.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 18 points 15 hours ago

Funny how life insurance always pays, no problem. Because if they get a bad rep, people will go elsewhere. We can't do that with employer-covered healthcare!

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[-] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 20 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

insurance is a fucking scam that preys on the most vulnerable segment of the population in order to enrich themselves and their shareholders. and the vast majority of people think that's just the way things are in america, therefore it's the best possible way for things to be. what's not to understand?

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