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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Americans: It's all that gosh-darn SOCIALISM that's causing this mess! Because socialism is when all the rich fat cats at the top keep all the earnings for themselves. Fucking dirtbag woke socialists!


And no lessons were learned that day.

Even Mangione has proved undoubtedly that he doesn't entirely understand the very issue that radicalized him. (If he isn't just a patsy, of course)

[-] lukes26@lemm.ee 51 points 1 week ago

I think he's just kinda an ordinary person who grew up privileged. He has fairly standard techbro style libertarian beliefs, but he also has criticisms of some of the influencers he watches, and didn't seem to like Peterson very much. He also seems to be an environmentalist, and I think he seemed to have become more anti-corporation based on the manifesto released (obviously assuming he did it).

Him being a privileged but ordinary guy who still got radicalized reflects a lot more strongly on the plight of everyone who isn't one of the owner class. It doesn't matter that he was relatively wealthy, he still wasn't one of them.

[-] papalonian@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

What information has come out that makes you say the last paragraph? I'm not doubting it's validity in the slightest (I don't think this guy is exactly an infallible source of wisdom), just haven't seen a lot directly from him that would flesh his views out that much.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

He was pretty pro-Musk and pro-Peter Thiel and certainly wasn't a paragon of leftist thought. While being decently educated and well traveled, he seemed to have a lot of faith in technolibertarian ideals.

I'd say that's clear from his Twitter and Reddit histories. It doesn't mean he's a frothing-at-the-mouth MAGA nut, but it also doesn't mean he's a dyed-in-the-wool leftist who understands the issues.

Further, like most people, he only became radicalized when a serious injury impacted his own life. It didn't make him question the whole system of capitalism, just healthcare.

And all that's fine and not meant to be an indictment one way or another about the guy, but more it's meant to point out that like most Americans, he's seemingly a little confused about larger issues. Which also makes sense since he's only 26, learning about it all takes time.

Finally, I'm still not 100% convinced a bunch of this is just contrived police bullshit to pin it on a patsy, and that's why his motives seem confused. Although I wouldn't be surprised if he's just lacking education and confused, like most Americans.

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[-] HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

So, no one in those countries became homeless and bankrupt because of an illness and lost their job? I am asking genuinely because I wouldn't know.

[-] WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

In Japan if you work full time for a larger employer, you pay into "shakai hoken" (societal insurance) this pays you like a third of your salary if you get injured and have to refrain from work for awhile. (This is at least partially paid for by your company because you can only legally be fired in Japan if the company proves beyond a reasonable doubt you were either belligerent or the company couldn't survive without you)

[-] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is hyperbole. Healthcare cost might be covered, but there are a lot more expenses with being sick. Social support and housing support in the UK is laughable. Good luck if you cant work because of disability. The hospital will keep you alive.....and then discharge you to the street.

Still better than America though.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

True ... even here in Canada social systems are not as good as they could be ... but imagine trying to access shitty social services AND PAYING FOR MEDICAL SERVICES... or worse being in over your head because of medical debt!

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[-] shrodes@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

No, it’s an exaggaration. According to StreetSmart Australia 14% of people became homeless due to becoming unemployed suddenly

With that said we do have MUCH better social welfare programs here in Australia than the US, though there is always more that could be done

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 week ago

Americans: ... OH YEAH! .... now lets count how many Aircraft Carriers each country has!! ... U! ... S! ... A! ......... U! ... S! ... A! ........ U! ... S! ... A! ..... pulls a muscle from over exerting themselves, has to go to the hospital and pay for treatment

[-] Remotedeck@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They want to have the freedom to be able to pay for treatment

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago

It's a free country ... as long as you can afford it

.... and also ...

“That's why they call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.” - George Carlin

[-] tfw_no_toiletpaper@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Lol there are definitely treatments that are very expensive and not covered by some insurances. This is not a "statistic", just opinion. USA has it way worse of course. But I remember my dad having to lend money from friends because some of my mom's cancer treatments were not covered.

Edit: Also wtf why is this in shitpost

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