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In Ukraine, US call to lower conscription age to 18 met with horror (www.aljazeera.com)
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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 110 points 2 weeks ago

“I would choose to be shot to death right here, in Kyiv instead of going to the frontline,” Serhiy, a 17-year-old high school graduate, told Al Jazeera. “I wouldn’t be able to raise my hand at the people of my blood.”

He cited the customs of Cossacks, a medieval caste of frontier warriors in what is now central Ukraine who formed quasi-democratic communities and combined nomadic cavalry tactics with firearms.

“Our forefathers, Cossacks, didn’t allow a man who had no children, no heirs, to go to war,” Serhiy said. “I would have done the same. If there are no people, who the hell needs this land?”

Finance capitalism, kid. Finance capitalism wants your land.

Nice that there are kids who haven't bought in to the "russians are orcs" ukronazi bullshit.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 67 points 2 weeks ago

How fucked is it that NATO's strategy to conquer Ukraine and steal it's land and riches is to create a war, send a half million Ukrainians to die against their own cousins, finance the war, and then demand everything of value Ukraine has left as repayment?

And now that it's looking like there may not be a ukraine to pay the war debt NATO is toying with the idea of taking things nuclear and just ending the world entire instead of capitulating and writing off some paltry amount of debt.

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 51 points 2 weeks ago

Finance capitalism, kid. Finance capitalism wants your land.

[-] Lemister@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

We only want the earth

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

(CW: SA) Cossacks weren't their forefathers though, they were separate people cosidering themsevles nobility (nobody else agreed with that though) and called the local peasants "Blackness" which means "common rabble" (at best). And they were resettled by the Russian Empire to other places, iirc mostly Kuban. Cossack ancestry is only real in the meaning that they r*ped A LOT, but the same was done in Ukraine by Tatars and Poles.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 48 points 2 weeks ago

yeah his historical knowledge is deeply flawed, but his modern sentiment is in the right place. He should not want to die for finance imperialists, and at least in that he has a correct consciousness.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, not disagreeing with that naturally, just pointing out that this kinds of fake ethnogenesis is usually a reactionary brainworm breeding ground, for example Poland still cannot entirely shake off the Sarmatism nonsense even after 400 years.

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 42 points 2 weeks ago

Since modern Ukraine is not willing to admit the only reason their current state even exists is due to Vladimir Lenin and the actual historical precursors are too Russian, apparently Ukrainian historians have landed on Zaporozhian cossacks for their nationalist myth. The kid was probably taught that in school, I've seen Ukrainian professors say the same thing.

[-] AnneVolin@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There are like 3-4 competing nationalist myths in Ukraine right now. The problem with ethnogenesis is that it isn't about the genesis of the state, it's about the genesis and literally lineage of a people which quite literally is insane and flat out wrong for most states unless most of the people lived on an island for millennia.

Even those that live on Islands have a really hard time, for example TERF Island doesn't really do well by it's indigenous populations in its current ethogenesis, it's mostly ruled by it's Norman and Angelo invaders and it's purely German monarchs.

The kid was probably taught that in school, I’ve seen Ukrainian professors say the same thing.

The kid was taught one of these myths likely by their uncle or family member. Ukrainians culturally have somewhat of an oral history due to language suppression, these oral histories are tested at Ukrainian universities, rather than created at the universities.

The reality of the Ukranian ethnogenesis is that it's inseparable from the Russian and Belarussian ones. They're all branches of the same tree, and people do a shit ton of copium when retelling this stuff to put an emphasis on their favorite grudge. Ethnogenesis stories are almost often lies so the need of the Ukrainian state and intelligentsia to create one is telling, they're effectively picking and choosing whatever happened on "the land" and shoving that into "the people".

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 69 points 2 weeks ago

I told my lib colleague this entire time that the global South are better off allying with China than America and he scoffed at the idea for quite a while; the genocide in Palestine though really opened his eyes and he's beginning to realize regardless of what he thinks of China (he's still a lib), they are definitely better friends to countries in the global South than the US government.

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 56 points 2 weeks ago

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

[-] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 57 points 2 weeks ago

The US is going to alienate every ally it has.

At this point the only thing holding the West allyship together is shared racism against brown people, will it be enough?

[-] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 51 points 2 weeks ago

will it be enough?

Europe is a garden and the rest of the world is a jungle, and the garden must make sure the jungle does not encroach on the garden

-Josep Borrell, EU foreign policy chief

It's not a matter of 'is racism against brown people enough', it's a matter of when do they come back down to planet earth.

[-] Red_Renewal_Cosmonaut@hexbear.net 31 points 2 weeks ago

who cares how alienated they are if they follow every beck and call, if they kneel to every wave of their hand

america is in charge, ukraine can do absolutely nothing about that

[-] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 24 points 2 weeks ago

The US has vassals, not allies. Alienation is acceptable

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

Until it ain't. Even Mexico seems to be angling to pivot to BRICS as soon as a chance is presented.

[-] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

BRIMCSmanship

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 54 points 2 weeks ago

Moloch demands your children, Ukraine.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 47 points 2 weeks ago

Fucking evil. Dc is just so fucking evil. They're not kids to the ghouls, they're just ammunition.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 44 points 2 weeks ago

Some things are just impossible to spin. Having to lower conscription to 18 is one of those. You can't pretend that Russia is losing 10 people to every Ukrainian at that point or that Ukraine has no casualties. The visceral reaction to kids being sent to war overrules everything else, and then you start realizing that the older men got no training whatsoever either.

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago

Best believe libs will try anyway

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, they have. On reddit I've seen NAFO posters continuously talk about how the real problem is that Ukraine was never on conscription and never actually mobilized. Which is insane in the face of the news piece. But rather than question those assertions, the system just overwhelms them with posts of people talking about how 18yos are children, the war must be stopped and things must be collapsing. It's as if reality kicked the propagandist out of their soapbox.

[-] allthetimesivedied@hexbear.net 39 points 2 weeks ago

Libs will ban you from their subreddits for disagreeing with this.

[-] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 2 weeks ago

Only a Russian troll who wants Putin to win would oppose this. If anything, 18 isn't low enough. Remove the age requirement entirely so that newborns and supercentenarians can join the fight to defend Western civilization. Denying preschoolers their right to take up arms is literally the definition of totalitarianism.

[-] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Infant-ry

[-] lemmyseizethemeans@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 weeks ago

They're losing

[-] Wolfman86@hexbear.net 19 points 2 weeks ago

I’ll bet boomers will love this.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago

Why the guy in the pic holding a baguette?

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

It's a wooden dummy gun.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 17 points 2 weeks ago

In France they use baguettes for the same purpose.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago

~~Dwarven~~ French battle bread.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 13 points 2 weeks ago

you could definitely kill people with old stale bread.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

We also have cake in Poland called "sękacz" in different versions, from the mild ambrosia melting on your tongue to rock hard that can be mounted on a stick and used to bash someone's head.

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 10 points 2 weeks ago

sękacz

lets not pretend the spit cake is not a dark souls weapon

[-] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago

Didn't they do that in the show Atlanta?

[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

i would applaud them if i knew

[-] OgdenTO@hexbear.net 2 points 2 weeks ago
[-] CarmineCatboy2@hexbear.net 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

emilio must have trained hard to survive the 6 month old baguette club rat-salute-2

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