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[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 113 points 3 weeks ago

The reason people use chatgpt like this is the same reason kids have stopped reading. Actually learning things clearly doesn't actually get you anything in our society. University degrees are just things you do to get a better paying job. School is just something you do because you have to do it. In a society that values profit over everything, why shouldn't you put in the least amount of effort possible? The idea that schools create responsible and active citizens or that universities create people whose knowledge can improve the world has always been a farce, people have just started realizing it.

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago

the credential doesn't get the job. the credential is the baseline for not having your application ignored. the credential doesn't keep the job. valuable work product, demonstrate initiative, interpersonal skills and professional development do.

the kids who take only shortcuts with their own education to minimize learning, unless they have family connections, are 100% shortchanging themselves and can be spotted a mile away.

one of the most important skills higher education develops is learning how to learn, and the people who sidestep the opportunity to do that screw themselves so hard.

[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 52 points 3 weeks ago

the credential is the baseline for not having your application ignored

your application is still ignored

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago

It's not only ignored but actively avoided too.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Lol, no. The person who can bullshit the best keeps the job. Valuable people have the self-destructive tendency of delivering honest bad news.

I say this as someone who has both been a valuable employee and managed fairly large departments. And who grew up long before LLMs existed. An important thing to remember is that hiring and firing decisions are generally above the team lead's pay grade, meaning that a bullshitter just has to network upwards.

Sure, cheating at uni will cripple the kids, but only the frontline employees, not those who tip straight into management.

[-] peeonyou@hexbear.net 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

this is the most accurate from my own experience of having worked for decades

the idiot who knows absolutely nothing, isn't even afraid to admit they don't know anything but is able to bullshit the best, and suck up to the uppers without pissing them off, is the one who advances the furthest and quickest

anecdotally i've seen this time and again in IT. someone who really has no business being in IT support managing to get the job through bullshit interviews and name dropping, clearly having no skills whatsoever to troubleshoot or even do the most basic requirements of the job, but being able to shamelessly kiss ass and self-promote makes it to the lead IT position in 2 years, meanwhile the folks who know their shit inside and out end up leaving the job because they get no raises or promotions and just keep getting more work piled on endlessly

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago

the credential doesn't get the job. the credential is the baseline for not having your application ignored. the credential doesn't keep the job. valuable work product, demonstrate initiative, interpersonal skills and professional development do.

stop talking like a career coach. you are always replaceable.

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 28 points 3 weeks ago

stop talking like a fool. it's one thing to understand the ideological frame of neoliberal capitalism that our society operates within.

it is something else entirely to internalize it and believe it so thoroughly you abandon your own agency and education.

[-] peppersky@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

where did i write anything about abandoning your own education?

"work hard and you will be rewarded" like come on, at least add a bit of an ironic bent to it, I don't feel like reading unsolicited milquetoast career advice on my communist shitposting forum, if i wanted that I'd be on reddit

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[-] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

school fails to instil a love of learning in the vast majority of folks which is one of its great shortcomings. the exam model makes it into a chore. I also never really learned how to study in school. also yeah bit of a lib comment, kinda bootstrapper vibes. kill the project manager in your head or whatever

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[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago

agreed. cheating wasn't invented yesterday

[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 71 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The company that employed me strived only to serve up the cheapest fare that its customers would tolerate, churn it out as fast as possible, and charge as much as they could get away with. If it were possible to do so, the company would sell what all businesses of its kind dream about selling, creating that which all our efforts were tacitly supposed to achieve: the ultimate product – Nothing. And for this product they would command the ultimate price – Everything. This market strategy would then go on until one day, among the world-wide ruins of derelict factories and warehouses and office buildings, there stood only a single, shining, windowless structure with no entrance and no exit. Inside would be – will be – only a dense network of computers calculating profits. Outside will be tribes of savage vagrants with no comprehension of the nature or purpose of the shining, windowless structure. Perhaps they will worship it as a god. Perhaps they will try to destroy it, their primitive armory proving wholly ineffectual against the smooth and impervious walls of the structure, upon which not even a scratch can be inflicted.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 63 points 3 weeks ago

Nothing is really being done to stop students abusing this either. It's like everyone threw their hands up and went "fuck it, who cares anymore"

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 61 points 3 weeks ago

Sounds like what’s happening in corporate America

agony-shivering

Love to report to a boss who thinks taking 5 minutes to write a python script that pulls json data can just be “chatgpt’d”

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 3 weeks ago

The first wave of propaganda around this was very effective. AI brained people would sing praises of open minded teachers who embraced the torrent of AI slop rather than oppose it. I remember reading about a professor who instead of banning ChatGPT instead gave his students a ChatGPT generated essay and asked them to critically analyse it.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 43 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Those AI brained people are all over now. I have a friend who sent me the AI questionnaire they had to fill out, and God damn, not only was it written poorly but it was effectively just a piece of propaganda written by someone who both loves and does not understand what these ML generators do.

I'd never seen so many instances of begging the question in one place before. It was basically:

Q: Because AI is actually good, do you think it's good?

A. I love AI, it is my god
B. AI is good because it's good
C. AI is bad, but it's because I don't understand it

[-] Thorngraff_Ironbeard@hexbear.net 60 points 3 weeks ago

Sam Altman and his pack of freaks treat it like God, and they want the state to make them the official priesthood.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 3 weeks ago

He says that humans are stochastic parrots and that hallucinations is how LLMs express creativity. I feel the next techbro huckster cannot be more absurd than this but reality has its ways of disappointing me.

[-] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 41 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"It never makes mistakes, it expresses itself creatively," bro it told me smoking is fine for pregnant women, no.

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[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago

Its been a historical path to power. What they do with that power is probably more of the same idiocy

[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 51 points 3 weeks ago

y'know what it's kind of giving for me? there's a bit in one of the hitchhiker's guide books where a planet's civilization goes completely belly up because they have the bright idea of shipping off into space 1/3 of the population that did "noncritical" sorts of jobs and then everyone dies because it turns out they were pretty important in the social ecosystem. like amerikkkan civilizational collapse won't be traceable to any particularly profound anti- -- from the western perspective -- messianic event in history but rather the simple fact that society relies on people codependently laboring according to correct institutional process knowledge.

[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah there are a lot of jobs that are theoretically useless in an ideal economic system or even a better economic system, but are actually productive in our current byzantine capitalist system.

It's very easy to create actually useless jobs, jobs that presently do nothing. They definitely exist, but it's really hard to pick them out broadly because their only utility is to appear productive.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

A fun one to try and find when job hunting is the project lead for a project that requires approval from both c-level and other departments. This will never be approved and suggested changes will take months to percolate through, leaving your team free to do whatever the hell they want.

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[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Graeber talks about this in bullshit jobs

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[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 3 weeks ago

It makes you feel like you're a 2000s teacher telling students "DON'T USE WIKIPEDIA FOR YOUR SOURCES" and being the wojak in those kids' future memes

[-] Feline@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago

It was every encyclopedia

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[-] glans@hexbear.net 50 points 3 weeks ago

You know about 10 years ago a friend of mine was completing engineering school. They told me the basics of the program was to give you a framework so you will know what questions to ask and how to conduct an effective web search. The education was totally predicated on constant access to the internet.

So the good news is this isn't new, the bad news is it is in line with prior culture.

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 41 points 3 weeks ago

Uh oh seems like the average person now has access to delusional bazinga STEM brain

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[-] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 41 points 3 weeks ago

"The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment."

"The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms."

"You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands."

The Prototype AI 'Morpheus' from Deus Ex (2001)

[-] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago

People have very little understanding of how computers work in general, and somehow that has translated into a total misunderstanding of what AI is - an LLM is not a magic box that knows everything, it just has a very complicated opaque way of transforming information. But it is a God to people, like a magic genie in their pocket. I get it though because it is made to feel like it is magic and knowd everything.

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[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago

currently in education, genuinely feel like putting students heads through their desks because they think my specialized knowledge can be replicated by a line of code. No I know what you don't know and that you cheated because this wasn't in the readings and when you talk it's clear you didn't even do those. People are genuinely losing what little critical thinking they had and this is a nightmare.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Will probably result in a population even more susceptible to propaganda.

[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

100%. I don't think that was an intended consequence but it definitely is happening. People already chose not to think, no they can externalize it to a source that will by default agree with the status quo.

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[-] Vampire@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If it's becoming a religion, I volunteer to be the Messiah if that's not taken

You have to tithe 10% of your income to me or Roko's Basilisk will getchu

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 27 points 3 weeks ago

Could honestly be pretty lucrative if you play your cards right

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[-] Yukiko@hexbear.net 33 points 3 weeks ago

I didn’t expect brain drain to be a possible consequence of LLMs. Well, we shall see what we reap here in the near future I’m sure.

[-] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 weeks ago

The second one is basically Roko's Basilisk

Also I have a very not normal and shitty take about neurotypical supremacy being one of the reasons people have went all in on LLMs and AI

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[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 29 points 3 weeks ago

NGL, maybe now’s my chance to go back to college. If people are going to be this much of treathogs over AI, just makes my job easier.

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sometimes I feel like I'm the crazy one. Was hanging out with one of my friends and their new boyfriend started showing off how he used chatgpt to train and find answers for his doctors degree assignments and he also bragged about how he made a script to use it for tinder. I've never used any dating sites, so maybe it is valid, but it just seems like such a disgusting way to move.

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 30 points 3 weeks ago

No you’re absolutely right. Anybody using a script for dating apps is looking to “game” the system and not caring when their date notices how different they are compared to how they came across on the app.

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[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 23 points 3 weeks ago

Butlerian Jihad against thinking machines now

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 22 points 3 weeks ago

UlysessT this one’s for you

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[-] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I prostrate myself before the altar of Microsoft Clippy

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