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stuff like "Well you call them the scum of the earth, why wouldnt they hate you"

Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?

i always get disgusted and disillusioned when i come upon it

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[–] _pi@lemmy.ml 4 points 35 minutes ago* (last edited 5 minutes ago) (1 children)

Because Amber understands that you practically have to build communism with some of the dumbest stupidest most racist and most reactionary people, and not a glorious soviet-realist style gang of clear eyed ideological comrades.

"escape" from fascists is literally a reactionary individualistic daydream. You can either kill them or rehabilitate them, and the idea of a glorious purge of evil is also a deeply reactionary individualistic daydream.

Lastly Amber knows this because she works with actual union members who aren't ideologically consistent terminally online communists in general, but typically blue collar physically broken Amerifats who have no issue voting for Trump.

We can talk about white people or reactionaries or whatever all we want till the cows come home, the real problem we ignore by doing that is that there are 322 million people in this country and only a teensy tiny bit are your glorious soviet-realist gang of comrades, less than like 1%. Slightly above the total votes that De La Cruz got in the 2024 election. The vast majority of them are various levels of idiotic reactionary. Being mad at them for their own stupidity is Democrat brain thinking.

Literally your answer is in your complaint: "Well you call them the scum of the earth, why wouldn't they hate you" -- literally a basic understanding of human communication.

Half of this thread is saying how white people basically need to be John Brown to be good allies. I agree with that sure. How the fuck you actually gonna get them to do that though? Kill all the Non-John Browns? If the logical ends of your ideological thinking is that "everyone is just going to have to do the right thing and I'm not going to deal with icky people", you're no different than the Democratic Party's core offering.

I'll take all the downboats now.

[–] AMBER_BOT@hexbear.net 4 points 35 minutes ago
[–] Blottergrass@hexbear.net 3 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

She literally hates friendless online Bernie leftists more than she hates reactionaries. I've also heard her speak longlingly about rightoids, but I can specifically remember like 4 different instances of her randomly getting worked up over "leftists with no friends" like a weird fixation. Like if you're a lonely loser leftist, she despises you, but if you just turn 4chan alt right, she suddenly sympathizes with your plight.

[–] Firstnamebunchofnumbers@hexbear.net 1 points 14 minutes ago

Omg whooo cares qbout podcasts theyre all slop garbage blluhhhhhh bkugg

[–] miz@hexbear.net 5 points 1 hour ago

why did you re-listen to Chapo Trap House 435 - Cancel Crisis feat. Matt Taibbi (7/9/20)

[–] Dr_Gabriel_Aby@hexbear.net 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Being a property owner and small business owner who says extremely offensive things and jokes about killing people at 48 years old…. It’s okay, he didn’t go to college, they don’t know any better

Being a debt ridden queer working two minimum wage jobs unrelated to their college degree at age 26, who thinks everyone being more polite and thoughtful would help society… you idiot, you moron, you disgusting bitch.

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 25 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

Why are parts of the left like this? Seemingly caring more about courting the psychopath incel who wants a white ethnostate rather than stand in solidarity and antiracism with POC?

Because crackers, 'progressive' or regressive, will always bear water and run defense for white supremacy before they ever consider liberating the subjects of empire that they feel entitled to camaraderie from and companionship with. It never fails. It's the same root from which springs the perennial "we don't have a race issue in Amerika, just a class issue" out of radlibs and anarchists, it's the same root from which springs the "well he was no angel, clearly he deserved it" out of the copsuckers and conservatives.

Crackers will always close ranks around their own before they ever think about reparating or restituting. "Leftists" like Amber are exactly why I don't trust the white left, and only organize with Black formations and organizations anymore.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 9 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

we don't have a race issue in Amerika

I can't even imagine someone saying this IRL without getting dogpiled. fucking hell

[–] frauddogg@hexbear.net 7 points 55 minutes ago

Keyboards make everybody a lot bolder than they would be in grass-space

[–] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 20 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Common frauddogg W.

Marginalized groups should be in charge of their own liberation. If privileged people actually want to help, they should get behind the marginalized groups and follow, not grandstand over them trying to take power and acting with a white savior complex

[–] Chronicon@hexbear.net 11 points 1 hour ago

I hate that this is the connection my brain made here but recency bias got me...

A recent BadEmpanada vid contrasted the white anti-apartheid activists in south africa joining the black resistance orgs, vs the israeli "anti-apartheid" types almost exclusively forming their own little NGOs among themselves and condemning actual resistance groups.

Same shit throughout history

[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 11 points 1 hour ago

I remember when I finally “got” Amb3r. She was talking about Kim Klassic (a young conservative woman) and she was practically writing a love letter to her. It was weird. I then thought back to whenever she would talk about a reactionary, and she would ALWAYS make some excuse for them or find something positive to say about them. She always makes excuses for reactionaries. I stopped listening after that.

[–] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 1 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

I met Amber at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told her how cool it was to meet her in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother her and ask him for photos or anything. She said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but she kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing her hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard her chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw her trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “M'am, you need to pay for those first.” At first she kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, she stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, she kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.

[–] AMBER_BOT@hexbear.net 1 points 35 minutes ago
[–] godlessworm@hexbear.net 11 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

people like amber say shit like this because imo they're desperate to distance themselves from the fascist's made stereotype of left wing people, where we're all overly sensitive, "PC", whatever bullshit you normally hear. just like when someone from a minority group agrees with white supremacists in hopes that they'll be deemed "one of the good ones". i don't know why certain people are just dying to be called "one of the good ones" by the literal worst people on earth. these people ARE the scum of the earth, going around spreading hate, disinformation, cultural and social rot.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

That seems to be at the root of it, huh? The liberal idea that by not being like what the fascists say you are, you might get them to listen to you. Maybe a deep desire to avoid existential conflict, or rather to avoid acknowledging it for what it is: inescapable. She seems like she still believes on some level that...I don't know. That this can continue somehow, that fences can be mended this late in the game? That the scope of her focus hasn't been rendered qaint by how much worse and horrifying everything has gotten in the last few years?

[–] AMBER_BOT@hexbear.net 2 points 2 hours ago
[–] axont@hexbear.net 26 points 3 hours ago

I hate that so much. "Leftists pushed me to the right." No you were always a piece of shit but didn't realize it until someone accurately called you out on it. Am I supposed to coddle people who are deliberately calling me the wrong pronoun? Am I supposed to be nice to my cousins who are active Klan members?

When I've unionized we've inevitably worked with reactionary people who have incorrect priorities. The best way to get them to shut up is show them they're outnumbered and to tell them to shut the fuck up. Bullying works.

I don't want the approval of fascists, I want them either dead or so afraid of speaking that they don't.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I've never been able to satisfactorily sum up what is is exactly that kept me from fully liking her, can't find the right word or phrase to encompass her specific blend of brainworms

Some of the people here have such a way with words that listening to them feels as clear and logical as looking at a photo, and I appreciate those people for helping me tease out the contours of my problem with her.

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 21 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

I wonder if Amber realizes a lot of the times, those fucking white kids are the ones that instigates to the point where POCs have all the right to call them out. No fucking shit they call them scum of the earth when the other side is calling people like me c**** or the usual phrase "go back to where you're from" while we are minding our own business, but I guess we still have to coddle those fuckers for some reason.

[–] AMBER_BOT@hexbear.net 5 points 3 hours ago
[–] MineDayOff@hexbear.net 17 points 3 hours ago
[–] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 13 points 3 hours ago

Well, I asked the other day what the deal was with her and why there's so much hate... This pretty well covers it.

[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] moonlake@hexbear.net 17 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Amber is the closest thing we have to a leftist grifter since she built her entire career on saying stupid shit in order to get people angry

[–] AMBER_BOT@hexbear.net 4 points 3 hours ago
[–] M68040@hexbear.net 24 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I'm calling them the scum of the earth because they already did hate me and I hate them back. We've been doing this shit back and forth since Bush Jr., I didn't just emerge from the ether and instigate this by calling DeusVult69 a fucking dick out of nowhere in 2016

[–] Dimmer06@hexbear.net 22 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

She comes out of a trend that primarily exists in the DSA that functionally believes all the same things American Democrats do, just with Medicare for All (which itself is a half-assed liberal pollicy that they latched onto because it wasn't as "scary" as state run healthcare) and Green New Deal haphazardly tacked onto the platform.

They only believe in one thing, their own individual power. They don't care about advancing materially definable working class politics, proletarian revolution, or even some sort of morally righteous politics. Just get more racist so the racists will put them in power and they'll take care of the rest. Many of these people are minorities but they feel vindicated by the pundits saying the Democrats lost because of identity politics because they've taken to the politics of the reactionary proletariat.

They sow the seeds of their own destruction with their opportunism though. Their lazy organizing and blatant opportunism is what has cause the DSA to collapse from its height a few years ago. I'm sure they've seen new growth since then but they'll chase those new people away too.

[–] boiledfrog@hexbear.net 39 points 6 hours ago (2 children)
[–] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 34 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They're eating the dogs, they're eating the cats that are in there

[–] RangeFourHarry@hexbear.net 11 points 1 hour ago

They said come and see but there was nothing on only reruns

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