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[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 94 points 6 days ago

Gen Z grew up on social media. The same that spreads the propaganda, the fake information and the toxic masculinity bullshit.

They also grew up with an impossible social economic context where they barely have any hope. Trump's making promises to make the country great again. What have they got to lose?

Why is anyone surprised?

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 46 points 6 days ago

What have they got to lose?

Gay marriage, contraception, porn, legal divorce? Just off the top of my head.

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Their POV is that the earth is going to burn to a crisp before they're out of paying back their college debt whether the tie is blue or red.

Play an online game and hang with some teenagers every now and again and just listen in. I hear some straight depressing shit. They have zero hope for anything.

Kamala might keep the lights on. Trump might accidentally trip over a good idea. Worth a shot if you're fucked either way, right?

They were wrong, granted... but justified? Sure.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 days ago

They have zero hope for anything.

And they're right.

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[-] scala@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 days ago

They also grew up in a time where the education budget was slashed over and over, even some states like Florida getting rid of history and sciences during trumps last presidency. No surprise there.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 days ago

Well I guess their plan worked

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Beyond their wildest dreams. The bad guys have been getting win after win after win the past few decades.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 27 points 6 days ago

They also grew up during the pandemic so they might actually be less educated than Boomers.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 6 days ago

As a Gen-X I will never blame the later generations. Especially Gen Z and younger, if I was in their shoes I'd be livid. You bring me into this mess and then tell me it's on me to fix it? F U

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

As a Gen-Xer, we got the benefit of the boomers taking almost all the air out of the room, and their parents thinking our generation was even worse than the boomers. The boomers mostly ignored us, called us slackers, etc....some time goes by and we are getting lumped in with the boomers and the "greatest generation" and getting blamed for all the problems, so that's been fun.

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

I have been saying for the past 6 - 8 years that Gen Z is the future, they are different, they are compassionate, etc. My opinion changed on that Tuesday in a bad way.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago

Turns out that growing up with a phone in their hand made a lot of them particularly susceptible to right-wing propaganda.

[-] BMTea@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

Ten Z didn't vote Trump in. They simply voted for Kamala less.

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

I agree that this is the lesson, but it's bolstered by decades of bad behavior by the previous generations who chose not to leave a livable world for their children.

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[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 48 points 6 days ago

Millenials appear to have been peak liberal.

[-] b34k@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

Watching TNG reruns nightly as an 8 year old really gave me some hope for humanity’s potential.

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[-] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 6 days ago

We were teenagers under dubya and the iraq war. Depending on how much the country swings into actual fascism this time, gen alpha might wind up standing for general anarchism

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 5 days ago

If we were able to age out of authoritarian conservatism, it would have happened a long time ago. Possibly as far back as "cooking food over fire is making kids these days weak". That should never have been a strategy. Doubly so when there's a time limit to solve global warming.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 17 points 6 days ago

“Crazy how Millennials were the only ones to learn how to use computers and we apparently are also the only ones who learned to see through disinformation,”

Whoever this Dylan jackass is can piss right off. Gen-X built your fucking computers.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago

Well, TBF, the boomers helped bootstrap what Gen X was working with, and then there are the Elder Gods like Turing, Hopper, John McCarthy, Neumann, etc...

In any case, if someone thinks that learning computers means they can see through disinformation....LOLOLOL. This is exactly why I keep beating the drum for critical thinking and media literacy, steeped within a rich liberal (in every meaning of that term) educational program.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 days ago

This is exactly why I keep beating the drum for critical thinking and media literacy, steeped within a rich liberal (in every meaning of that term) educational program.

I've actually begun work on an essay about that exact thing. One that I've put off for a very long time because the last time I dared to imply a causal relationship between the rise of Trade-Schools, where you learn to do one thing and one thing well, but have no real education otherwise, and the dumbing down of the electorate, I got shouted down for being "elitist". But with recent events, I've decided to expand on my idea and throw some more research behind it because fuck it, I'm feeling vindicated.

I'm not saying that everyone who attends a trade-school is intellectually incurious; just that a broader understanding of the world is not a part of the curriculum and it's left up to the students themselves if they want to be a well rounded individual on their own time.

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[-] Laser@feddit.org 12 points 6 days ago

It's like every generation loses the ability to do something in computer technology that was just abstracted away somehow. I as a millennial have never soldered a PC mainboard (modding an Xbox doesn't count), but I'd say that otherwise, my understanding is pretty good. And I think all of my friends understand the concepts of files.

I recently asked someone about 10 years older if he knew what partitioning and formatting means in the context, and he knew, despite initially saying he has no clue about computers, to show someone 10 years younger (who didn't know) that such knowledge was just basically required back in the day. And it's not like these terms are obsolete, the concepts are still the same, even though we went from MBR to GPT and from FAT32 or whatever to better filesystems. It's no different for phones, but not required and even hidden.

I'd say generally, the technology userbase broadened while average knowledge in the group declined, however I'm not sure whether the absolute numbers of people with a certain knowledge level actually went down.

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 days ago

I recently asked someone about 10 years older if he knew what partitioning and formatting means in the context, and he knew, despite initially saying he has no clue about computers, to show someone 10 years younger (who didn’t know) that such knowledge was just basically required back in the day

I call them Intellectual Oligarchies. The knowledge (of any subject, not just tech) being limited to a circle of elites while the products are made simple enough to operate that the average person doesn't really need to know how it's done, just how to purchase it.

The good thing about Intellectual Oligarchies, however, is that they are open to be joined by anyone who wants to learn, or is curious about things. No formal education is required; just intellectual curiosity and the ability to read. They're entirely self-propogated; not purposefully created by some evil cabal trying to withhold knowledge from the average person. Knowledge itself is open-source, in other words. Anyone can use it if they want.

In the Greek and Roman democratic condition, people who don't exercise that "right to knowledge" lacked the context necessary to properly partake in the citizen's primary job...democratic rule.

Ars Liberalis doesn't translate to "Liberal Arts". It literally translates to "The skills of Freedom". A citizenry of a democracy needs the skills (knowledge) to properly function in said democracy; and that included studies of history, philosophy, politics, civics, etc...

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Ars Liberalis doesn’t translate to “Liberal Arts”. It literally translates to “The skills of Freedom”. A citizenry of a democracy needs the skills (knowledge) to properly function in said democracy; and that included studies of history, philosophy, politics, civics, etc…

It's for reasons like this that I say we should strive for everyone to have a liberal education, in every meaning of that term.

The qons have done a lot to demonize the term, but it is a word that should be taken back...and given to the generations in our education systems right now. The point of a good education is not to crank out obedient workers.

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[-] GoofSchmoofer@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago

Why hasn't there been a push to counter the propaganda on social media with social media?

Use short form, humorous posts that integrate facts and ideas that give a different more positive take on others. I would guess there are great writers and actors that have a progressive-ish mindset that could put something like this together.

But honestly what is the reason this hasn't been done? Or if it is being done why isn't there more of a push to get it seen?

[-] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 12 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Algorithms ensure that the only content that ends up getting to your eyes is content that you already agree with for the most part. Or content that you hate so much that you have an incurable urge to respond to it with swearing and vitriol. (or at least that's why I think TikTok keeps giving me Maple Maga bullshit)

In other words, you can put up whatever you want but thanks to modern social media, the only people who will ever see it are the people who already agree with you.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

why I think TikTok keeps giving me Maple Maga bullshit

I mean... it shows the garbage to you, and you keep coming back..... maybe it's time to ditch tictack

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 13 points 6 days ago

That would require ongoing funding outside of election years. These are paid for by Mercers and Kochs or the Kremlin on the right, and i don't think Gates or Cuban is too eager to fund left-wing propaganda.

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[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Why hasn’t there been a push to counter the propaganda on social media with social media?

Because the dems are also right-wing and have no credibility.

The actual left-wing is constantly pushing counter-narratives but without the massive funding of capital (eg. koch bros). No billionaire is going to fund a left-wing Prager U that talks about how billionaires are trash.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

If you don't control the platform, it might just be wasted efforts, although I guess they could try. But it might be that those pulling the strings can be sure that virtually no one is reached.

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[-] MehBlah@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

The zoomers are more like boomers than any other generation. The thought that they would save anyone but themselves is ridiculous.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Liberals solve the problems that cause voters to die. Conservatives push for the status quo, even if the status quo kills the voters. The more deaths, the more people move towards the liberals. What, right now, is killing Gen Z?

Gen Z males have been raised in this "men need to be the alpha dog - don't let anyone talk down to you - don't respect anyone" mindset throughout high school. Then, when they get out into the real world, that mindset lead them to flunk out of college, not hold down a job, and not be able to get/keep a girlfriend. With no education/money/girlfriend's house and housing prices through the roof, they have to move back in with there parents who:

A) Are liberal and thus blame it on there attitude, which makes them even more conservative

B) Are conservative and blame it on trans-mexican-CRT-cowfarts, which makes them bond more with their parents.

How do we fix this?

Just replying to thank you for that glorious combo of terms. As the dirty migrant I am, I simply had to steal it for my username.

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[-] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

No, Gen Z just isn’t conservative enough to settle for Dems. Put up a progressive, and they’ll show up.

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Its never been up to a single generation anyway

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

When the link snaps open the entire chain is broken.

It is up to every generation.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 days ago

Its the working class vs the 1%, not generation vs generation.

[-] whithom@discuss.online 10 points 6 days ago

Trump Youth.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

No analysis of how the older generations that turned out for Obama and Kerry went even harder for Trump than Gen Z ? Gen X went Trump by 22 percent.

Gen Z is doing their best and if you put this all on them then you're going to lose the next election too.

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