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Remember being 15 (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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I was working as a flight instructor in my early 20's. I'd occasionally get "So, how long have you been...flying?" from new students I was meeting for the first time. "Oh, since about 9 this morning" was my usual response.

That shit usually stopped after about 20 minutes in the air. They'd try level turns or even leveling off at altitude and slosh all over the sky, then I'd hook a pinkie on the stick* and the plane would magically straighten right out. You could feel the moment they realized "Oh, this kid genuinely is qualified for this job," and man was that satisfying. Youth does not equal useless.

*This plane had a single stick in between the seats, and for training an extension would be added above the grip so the student and instructor can hold the controls at the same time. It meant if I touched the stick students usually saw me do it.

[-] kometes@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago
[-] _number8_@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

all this bullshit about taking their phones away...they have to wake up at 7am for school and be there all day, they can't even have one bit of joy? they can't do banter during class or record a lecture or look stuff up? why are we acting like school has to be strict because it has to seem strict

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[-] TheAlbatross@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bet, I think that's a really good point and a crucial reminder for some people.

I am gonna need 15 year olds to be 33% less annoying, though, in return. I mean, I was incredibly annoying at 15 and I get it's hard not to be but goddamn meet me part way here

I used to work with a lot of teens at their first job, and I found that I got along with them really well when I'd tell them that the biggest difference between them and me was simply that I'd been on this rock a few years longer than they have. If you're 20 and they're 15, then you've experienced 33% more shit than they have.

I told them that I wasn't gonna tell them what to do with their lives, but I'd offer my own experiences to help them make more informed choices. It's like with little kids: you can tell them not to do something dangerous, but if you explain why they shouldn't do it, you'll get better results. At least with the 15+ crowd, you usually don't have to worry about them sticking forks into the electrical sockets or something.

[-] RaccoonBall@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

I don't think I started sticking metal into electrical outlets until I was 14 or 15..

Bzzzzzaaaap

[-] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

Way more than that. Imagine a 5-year-old who has what, a couple of years worth of memories? So by that token, a 7-year-old is twice the age of a 5-year-old, and a 9-year-old is triple, despite not even having hit double the chronological age yet.

And there's all sorts of disconnects beyond that: a 17-year-old driving cars for at least a year while a 14-year-old has never done so (depending on factors I suppose), and a 20-year-old with multiple years of college or trade school or work under their belt, vs. a 17-year-old who tends to have little to none yet at that point.

And how much have people experienced who joined the armed forces and were deployed somewhere, especially seeing active duty, compared to people who have or will never do thus in their entire lives? A 20-year-old could teach someone 4x older chronologically something, if they had the relevant experiences.

Okay so I went way off on that tangent, but yeah, totally agree! 💯, and even more than 💯 besides 💪.

[-] rImITywR@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago

I thought like this when I was 15.

Then in my twenties looking back at how I acted when I was a teen I thought "I was really dumb as a kid, I wish I had more supervision from a responsible adult."

Now in my thirties looking back at how I acted when I was in my twenties I think "I was really dumb as a kid, I wish I had more supervision from a responsible adult."

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 week ago

Kids today deserve the option to delete everything about the from the Internet at some point in their 20s. No one needs video evidence of that phase.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago

My bro has a rule: no public photos of his kids, ever. Shared to family, privately, only.

They're just not old enough to sign away their privacy.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

No photos should be the default until they turn twenty. It's too easy to fuck up or be taken advantage of.

[-] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

Supervision doesn't have to be patronizing or demeaning. A 15 year-old isn't dumb anymore, merely ignorant and impulsive which does tend to make them shitheads but that's kind of a separate problem.

Most adults are shockingly bad at understanding and explaining their own thoughts and rationales, including to other adults. So when interacting with a teenager, they either throw their hands up or fall back on "shut up and do as I say" as one would with a 5 year-old.

That's where teens can be failed really badly by the adults around them because they are at an age where unlike children they are mostly/fully equipped to understand "adult" advice, and will not blindly follow orders anymore. But they also need way more advice, guidance and explanation than an actual adult. I think that's where the post is getting at. Don't forget that teens are kids, but don't treat them like they are subhuman or lacking in agency.

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[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Sounds all well and good until you don't have any responsible adults around you

I'm in my late 20, I was failed as a child and teen. Not because I had too much freedom, but because the adults did not treat me with respect, like a person, and were not responsible. I mean, my parents were straight up abusive, but it's not like anyone else helped

I would have unironically been better off alone

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[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Was that supposed to stop after 15?

Because as a woman-type creature, that’s has been the whole life experience so far…

And I’m more than twice that age now..

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[-] transhetwarrior@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago

So. I was raised by a domestic violence lawyer. She was always really passionate about her job, about fighting abuse.

When I was in middle school, I was abused myself. A teacher. I knew what was happening. I knew what they said to do about - tell a trusted adult. They would know what to do.

My mother, the domestic violence lawyer, always so passionate about stopping abuse. She didn't believe me. I was just a dumb kid, and kids make things up all the time.

I realized there's not much a kid can do to protect themself. "Tell a trusted adult" is the solution, not because adults are more responsible, but because they actually have fucking rights. If an adult has a bad job, they can get up and quit. If I tried to walk away from school, I'd be beaten.

None of the adults wanted to listen to me, so what could I do? Jack fucking shit. I had that teacher for three years until I moved on to high school. I still have the trauma.

Treat kids like people. I don't want to hear any of this shit about how stupid they are. They know more about their own life experience than you do. Listen to them

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago

I remember being 15. That's why I'm alright with treating 15-yos as idiot kids

[-] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The older I get the more I realize everyone is an idiot. I'm an idiot, everyone I work with is an idiot. Politicians are idiots. Celebrities are idiots. Old, young, doesn't matter. We all float down here and you will all get treated like the idiot I am 🙃

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[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

I'll have you know I was extremely intelligent at 15. Tested genius levels, at least 95th percentile, probably as high as 98th.

I was still an idiot kid.

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[-] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I get compliments on my kids behavior so often. People beg me for my secrets. It's simple. I have treated them with respect as an individual person since day one. We only use our words to communicate and we never raise our voices. We apologize when we make mistakes and make it right. We talk about our feelings and work towards compromise. All these rules apply to kids and adults equally.

I grew up with spankings and being told "I'll give you something to cry about if you don't shape up" and "just do as you're told, no questions". I won't repeat those behaviors.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Yep, I talk with teens ~12 y.o. and up just like I would any adult, I have real conversations with them, including debates, and they appreciate it. Hell, it wasn't that long ago that being a teenager or being a young adult wasn't even a concept, you were a kid and around 12/13 you were an adult.

[-] M600@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

People are always surprised in a good way when kids like me so much and quickly.

It is not hard, I just treat them like a real person, I respect them and actively listen to them.

Kids are so much smarter than people give them credit for and it is not hard to do.

[-] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Kids seem to very quickly run you over if you treat them like people unless they think you're cool AF.

[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

reading this has the weird sensation of being brainwashed into a cult

[-] bizarroland@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

If you are not already in the cult you will never be in the cult

[-] kamenlady@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

TIL i'll never be in the cult

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[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Explain, I'm not following

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