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[-] vanontom@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.

First, Democrat's gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel's genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical "decent conservatives" was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.

Second, "the high road" has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we're going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.

[-] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 hour ago

The worst thing about Trump by far is his refusal to accept a peaceful transition of power. It's a national tragedy that he will never be held accountable for that, and that his behavior has been validated by winning another election.

I'm glad she is setting an example of what a peaceful transition of power looks like, for those who apparently aren't familiar with the concept.

[-] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 8 hours ago

Flowery words about democracy for somebody living in an oligarchy/monarchy.

[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 35 points 10 hours ago

WHY

Why do we have to be the bigger people and accept this bullshit? THIS ISN'T WORKING.

[-] Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 hours ago

We don't. But maybe not here.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 48 points 11 hours ago

The moral high road is littered with corpses, and it looks like we're bound and determined to add more to the pile.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 179 points 14 hours ago

Enjoy the self-satisfaction of having taken the high road while the concentration camps get built.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 93 points 14 hours ago

And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?

Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.

[-] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 hour ago

I agree... did they expect her to start a socialist revolution? As if they would march to the capitol for her when they wouldn't even show up to vote?

I'm glad she's setting an example of normal adult human behavior, it's hard to even call it the "high road"... It's just NOT acting like a toddler. We can't afford to have a January 6th every four years.

[-] CompostMaterial@lemmy.world 40 points 13 hours ago

Exactly, 70 million American Nazis are to thank for this.

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[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago

He'll of a way to blow off all the deaths that are coming. I don't cate what happens to his voters. But the rest of us are going to suffer too.

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[-] atheridis@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago

Only follow the rules with those who follow them too.

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 11 points 12 hours ago

We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 5 points 6 hours ago

As if Republicans won't eliminate the filibuster. They have no use for it because they don't plan on being in the minority ever again.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago

2 years. In 2026, 20 Republican Senators will be up for re-election.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

You're putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.

Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he's going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Think outside the box.

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[-] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 53 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Had Trump won in 2020, he'd have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it's crib by Coronachan.

Had Trump won in 2020, he'd be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there's a full blown scheme to control the government

In 2020 they didn't know how much they could get away with. They've seen the limits now.

Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there's another 2 if not 3

In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn't John Kerry, it's Carter.

I've heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 13 hours ago

2020-2024 had no Supreme Court Justices to appoint.

Biden got one, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in 2022. And had Trump been president during this time, Thomas and Alito would have probably retired after Dobbs.

[-] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 17 points 13 hours ago

Alright fair point then my bad. I think the rest of it stands well enough though

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 13 hours ago

Yeah, out of everything, his Supreme Court nominations are the longest lasting. They will outlive him and be a lasting influence for most of our lives. Every unconstitutional thing Republicans want to do will be handed to them by the SC. So long for checks and balances.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.

But now, we're 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we'll also be an axis power.
Every time I think we're in the worst possible timeline the universe says "bet" and throws us another curveball.
I'm getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.

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[-] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 37 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.

[-] cacheson@piefed.social 18 points 13 hours ago

Reminds me of the Alt Right Playbook episode "You Go High, We Go Low".

Those of you feeling disillusioned with democracy and its tendency to vote itself into autocracy might want to look into anarchism. I'm fond of mutualism in particular.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

When I felt disillusioned in 2016 from ratfucking and Trump winning, I got more and more leftist. Nothing has radicalized me after than the last 3 elections.

Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.

[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.

Anarchism isn't a political structure...? It's the lack thereof, no?

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

To me, it's the idea no structure compared to the idea of structure. Libertarians just want corporations to take it over, everyone else want a state.

Perhaps I should have said it better, I'm kind of in a state of stress and "I don't laugh at the situation, I am going to cry more."

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 22 points 14 hours ago

What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago

Just ran a ballpark. 22% of Americans voted for Trump. That's all it took

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago

Wow, so noble.

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