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In concession speech, Harris says "when we lose an election, we accept the results" (www.cbsnews.com)

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[-] vanontom@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

Happily voted Harris, to defeat the christian fascists. But I think her concession confirms that she was never going to be the fighter we needed.

First, Democrat's gamble on pushing aside the progressive core (thanks to incorrect reading of Biden popularity and protests over Israel's genocide) in favor of a coalition of former Republicans and mythical "decent conservatives" was a huge red flag. It has now proved absolutely catastrophic.

Second, "the high road" has rarely extracted more than the absolute minimum at the slowest possible pace. This election proved it has failed us. Peace is not an option anymore. Unfortunately, we're going to need to fight ruthlessly for every inch. Entrenched billionaire oligarchs, funding literally insane religious extremists and domestic terrorists. They will gleefully turn up the heat on our formerly cold civil war with their brutality over the next few years.

[-] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 hours ago

Flowery words about democracy for somebody living in an oligarchy/monarchy.

[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 30 points 7 hours ago

WHY

Why do we have to be the bigger people and accept this bullshit? THIS ISN'T WORKING.

[-] Shark_Ra_Thanos@lemmy.ml 8 points 7 hours ago

We don't. But maybe not here.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 46 points 8 hours ago

The moral high road is littered with corpses, and it looks like we're bound and determined to add more to the pile.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 169 points 12 hours ago

Enjoy the self-satisfaction of having taken the high road while the concentration camps get built.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 92 points 11 hours ago

And what did you want her to tell people to march to the capitol and hang the vice president being willing to certify the election?

Nah, Americans voted for Trump and his fascism, his racism so let them have it.

[-] CompostMaterial@lemmy.world 38 points 11 hours ago

Exactly, 70 million American Nazis are to thank for this.

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[-] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago

He'll of a way to blow off all the deaths that are coming. I don't cate what happens to his voters. But the rest of us are going to suffer too.

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[-] atheridis@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Only follow the rules with those who follow them too.

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[-] pennomi@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago

We can still try to obstruct via filibuster and other mechanisms. (Republicans have already shown us how to do it effectively.) But certainly no progress can be made for the next four years.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 4 points 4 hours ago

As if Republicans won't eliminate the filibuster. They have no use for it because they don't plan on being in the minority ever again.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

2 years. In 2026, 20 Republican Senators will be up for re-election.

[-] pivot_root@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

You're putting far too much faith in the voters at this point.

Depending on how the cost of living situation goes, Trump is either going to take credit for improvements set in motion before his 2024 term, or he's going to astronomically tank it and blame it on the previous administration. No matter which happens, he will frame it to make himself look better than the Democrats while the MAGA crowd eats it up.

[-] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Think outside the box.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 12 points 11 hours ago

Excuse me?! They're called "internment camps"!

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[-] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 54 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Had Trump won in 2020, he'd have taken the fall for the Recession and Hyperinflation and it would have caused a 2008 effect. Populist Wave haulted, strangled in it's crib by Coronachan.

Had Trump won in 2020, he'd be done now and his VP would still be the democracy respecting Pence.

Trump when elected in 2016 had no major plan and mostly left the employees of the state intact, and in 2020 the change was minimal. Now there's a full blown scheme to control the government

In 2020 they didn't know how much they could get away with. They've seen the limits now.

Winning in 2020 means no January 6th shattering the overton window and leading SCOTUS to some interesting choices about power.

2020-2024 had one Supreme Court Justice to appoint. Now there's another 2 if not 3

In 2020 it would have been close. Now Democrats will have to regain ground, New Jersey New Hampshire and Minnesota are now Swing States.

2016 Trump had his populist wave weakened by Gary Johnson and Evan McMulin who blocked the popular vote and kept states like Colorado and New Mexico out of his hands. 2016 Trump sucked with Hispanics. That initial wave would have burnt out with the COVID fuckery. Instead Democrats slotted in, took the 4 worst possible years, and are handing it back having effectively both given them another shot in the arm and crippled themselves. There goes the court. This isn't John Kerry, it's Carter.

I've heard of 2020 hindsight, but this is ridiculous

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 11 hours ago

2020-2024 had no Supreme Court Justices to appoint.

Biden got one, Ketanji Brown Jackson, in 2022. And had Trump been president during this time, Thomas and Alito would have probably retired after Dobbs.

[-] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago

Alright fair point then my bad. I think the rest of it stands well enough though

[-] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, out of everything, his Supreme Court nominations are the longest lasting. They will outlive him and be a lasting influence for most of our lives. Every unconstitutional thing Republicans want to do will be handed to them by the SC. So long for checks and balances.

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[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

I agree, hindsight is 20/20 and if he would have just won then, this would have all been over yesterday.

But now, we're 75 days from being an actual dictatorship, and when we help Russia flatten Europe we'll also be an axis power.
Every time I think we're in the worst possible timeline the universe says "bet" and throws us another curveball.
I'm getting really fucking tired of living in an era that will be fascinating to read about in future history books.

[-] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

I compared these threads to the one in 2016 announcing the win. Mostly different vibes(more awe and surprise and 'maybe it won't be so bad' and less horror), but two things in common.

Brexit comparisons(2016 had more, but still)
People blaming a dead beloved mammal for cursing the timeline(Squirrelboy is up there with Harambe now...)

[-] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

Also 2020 Trump was still struggling with Hispanics. The 2015 rhetoric really hurt him there. Too fucking late to put that genie back in the bottle. It's gone man, solid gone

[-] niucllos@lemm.ee 9 points 10 hours ago

I don't understand how the rhetoric this time didn't hurt him there tbh, he didn't change it really

[-] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

He stopped saying Mexicans or Hispanics and started saying Illegals for the most part. Boom.

Also I've seen a lot of 'first they came for the socialists' type posting about that. In a fucked up way that's actually the outcome the Democrats want. The other option is the Hispanics became 'honorary whites', the next Italian or Irish. Hispanic isn't even really a race in the sense that black or white or asian(or native american, technically those two are one race sorta long story), it's Mixed, European White - Slave Black - Native Mesoamerican, just mixed and mixing with other mixed so long you can't really pick it out. We usually call the whiter ones Hispanics and the ones with a lot more Native or Black mestizo or creole or...Native and Black. Hispanic Culture is heavily christian and European influenced, it can be integrated into that coalition without too much trouble.

If the established second generation Hispanics settle into reliable Republican or even just the men, that's a Southern Strategy tier realignment. The Democrats are fucked for a generation. Outgroups don't stay Outgroups forever, and we know how European Cultured Religious 'in-groups' do in the USA.

[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Good point. Out of many things to blame for this, I didn't think about him losing 2020. Who would have thought back then, that him winning would be better in the long run. He would be finished and disgraced by now. We truly are living in the worst timeline.

[-] ThatOneKrazyKaptain@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Think Carter. Nixon had a populist wave born out of the DNCs 1968 disaster destroying the Kennedy lead operation dating back years, it was big. Then a huge scandal knocked the wind out of him, populist wave was down, Democrats won with a safe white guy, mission accomplished? Except the economy imploded and a ton of foreign wars happened and everyone blamed 'histories greatest monster' and the Republican populist wave that would have died with Nixon got a round to breathe and the Democrats took the fall for the disaster in Carters term. 8 years of Reagan followed and then 4 years of Reagan 2, Texas Boogaloo. Except Reagan was old and JD Vance isn't.

[-] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 36 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Expecting Americans to do even the bare minimum, such as playing by the rules, is expecting way too much.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

This is the truth. Americans have forgotten the common good and looking out for each other. The boomers began the culture shift towards selfish assholism and the subsequent generations have accelerated it.

[-] cacheson@piefed.social 17 points 10 hours ago

Reminds me of the Alt Right Playbook episode "You Go High, We Go Low".

Those of you feeling disillusioned with democracy and its tendency to vote itself into autocracy might want to look into anarchism. I'm fond of mutualism in particular.

[-] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago

When I felt disillusioned in 2016 from ratfucking and Trump winning, I got more and more leftist. Nothing has radicalized me after than the last 3 elections.

Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.

[-] Makhno@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago

Anarchism tries to help people without expecting a favor, unlike every other major political structure.

Anarchism isn't a political structure...? It's the lack thereof, no?

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 23 points 11 hours ago

What else is she supposed to say? Unfortunately, the people have spoken. They’re going to get what they have chosen and deserve at this point, and it’s a crying shame.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago

Just ran a ballpark. 22% of Americans voted for Trump. That's all it took

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 14 points 12 hours ago

Wow, so noble.

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