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submitted 1 week ago by maxprime@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

I’m a teacher and our division just “upgraded” to W11 with a new version of outlook that is basically a web app on desktop. Several times a day my laptop comes to a complete crawl while Teams decides to open itself. Can’t open or close programs, Firefox won’t register mouse clicks, nothing. Graphical glitches appear al the time with menu bars and task bars disappearing regularly, requiring force quitting the app or logging out of the desktop.

When I first switched to Linux I assumed my experience would be like this. But now it’s the other way around.

Rant over.

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[-] wax@feddit.nu 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

My main gripe with windows is that it's gradually turning to adware/spyware after MS decided to go for that sweet data collection revenue. That also means a shift in the focus of the development of the OS, as it's not being developed for the benefit of the users anymore.

That, and software development processed are more tedious. Although today I'm sure I could find a workflow that works with WSL or vcpkg.

Edit: Oh, and everything turning to webapps on the desktop. Love staring at white canvas while it waits for a server response.

[-] FriendBesto@lemmy.ml 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Gradually? By 10's launch, it was already adware/spyware. 11 is not even attempting to hide it, if you look at it objectively past the PR.

[-] wax@feddit.nu 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah, fair enough. I've just noticed that a clean setup requires more and more workarounds in regedit and policy editor etc. Updates reenabling stuff like that is just infuriating

[-] RisingSwell@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 days ago

As someone who has a good windows laptop at home, windows at work is actual garbage. We had a month where you just couldn't use the search function, because the act of typing in the search bar caused enough problems it would close the search bar.

Odds are your home computer is somewhat competent and your work one is a steaming pile of trash not fit for purpose.

[-] maxprime@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago

I ran arch on it for about a year - it’s a gen 9 i5. During that time I had a desktop that ran W10 on a gen 3 i5 and was quite a competent machine. Then with W11 and the TPM requirement that perfectly good windows box became ewaste.

The laptop is fine. Windows 11 is just garbage.

[-] fhein@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago

We just had Windows Update brick itself due to a faulty update. The fix required updating them manually while connected to the office network, making them unusable for 2-3 hours. Another issue we've had is that Windows appears to be monopolizing virtualization HW acceleration for some memory integrity protection, which made our VMs slow and laggy. Fixing it required a combination of shell commands, settings changes and IT support remotely changing some permission, but the issue also comes back after some updates.

Though I've also had quite a lot of Windows problems at home, when I was still using it regularly. Not saying Linux usage has been problem free, but there I can at least fix things. Windows has a tendency to give unusable error messages and make troubleshooting difficult, and even when you figure out what's wrong you're at the mercy of Microsoft if you are allowed to change things on your own computer, due to their operating system's proprietary nature.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago

I kinda wish more pcs shipped with linux.

[-] Tumbleweeds5@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 days ago

My home desktop has been on Linux for almost a decade, and a few months ago, my employer certified Linux as a choice for our corporate laptops. I couldn't be happier. If only I managed to convince my wife to take the plunge, but she is the most anti-change person I know when it comes to technology. It took her months to stop complaining when she had to upgrade to Win 10 and her 9 years old computer is slow as it gets right now, it was never re-installed and she rather not risk trying to make it better in fear of breaking something...

[-] recarsion@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 days ago

The funniest thing is it doesn't even have to be this way with Windows. I've unfortunately had to go back to dual booting lately but I'm using Win 10 LTSC and I have to say I'm surprised how tolerable it is. I'd still rather not use it but eeh it's fine.

[-] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 days ago

Debian in WSL is my single favorite thing about Windows work laptop. Real tools! 😃

I’m back on windows for work after a decade away, and all the reasons I left are still there. The tools are still lacking, the layout is non-sensical, prototyping requires expensive subscriptions, and it’s not designed to get work done.

*nixes and macOS, to a lesser extent, are much nicer. The *nixes are designed to get work done. I have my gripes, but good lord they’re small comparatively.

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 1 points 6 days ago

For me, at work it's more MS sharepoint and MS dynamic (+oracle clod shit of course) that fk me over on a daily basis - that's possibly due to the way our IT people don't seem to know how to use them or set them up - and won't let us query(just SELECT) the dynamics tables directly using SQL for whatever reason. (i suspect we have to pay MS to acces our own data). And of course things like MS excel being used to mangle data by default all the time - yeah i know always use power query import . . . just everything takes six extra steps and the easy way is always the worst way.

W10 is mostly okay. I mean it's slow and hard to use, blasts the cpu fan all the time, is still annoying with updates, and I have to "right click open with" to open anything in the application that i want (even when there is only one native appllication for the file format). You get used to working around that shit.

That is just not true for sharepoint and other MS apps, it gets worse, and as soon as you think you get used to a workaround for one thing, something else changes or an old thing resurfaces. and dynamic has just "upgraded" the colour scheme of the status colum so that there is no contrast between the background and the text. black text on white background, good enough for every other column, but no upgrade that one to black on dark blue, thanks bill you're a F-ing-C. how do they screw up things like that as a bajillion dollar company.

So I was going to say that W10 is more or less stable and it is other MS stuff that I hate more. that is probably true. but actually sitting down and writing out the above, W10 is still pretty horrible to . . . whether it's our IT or MS itself, it's shit.

I much prefer my home linuxes, it is just as stable (for me) - and just so much easier to use - and most of all it is quieter on the fan. So much more relaxing.

W11 had better be "not worse" or i'll probably have to quit.

[-] BritishJ@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

For dynamics you have to ask MS for access to the sql back end. Then its granted for several hours as read only. That's why you have to use synapse link to a data lake etc.

[-] oo1@lemmings.world 1 points 6 days ago

I don't know what a "synapse link" is i'm sure we'd not be allowed access to that; though I can think of at least one manager who would have parrotted that for a few monts if they'd heard it; "data lake" was also one of those for a while, it seems to have given way to "lakehouse" now. I just want to put on concrete boots, jump off the boat and hope it's deep enough.

[-] BritishJ@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

I understand you. Very annoying these days.

[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 124 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

What a big pile of shit software, I swear I'm just gonna quit because of this ass smelling garbage.

Today I discovered that C:/Users/MyUser was silently an alias of C:/Users/OneDriveBullshit/MyUser only in the explorer. So I just figured out why some documents were often disappearing for months, I'm just working on a multiverse were depending on the application the same path don't lead to the same folder.

Earlier this week I unzipped a file and couldn't remove resulting files without administrator privileges.

I've never lost so much time for any fucking software, let alone a paid one. And don't even get me starting on the fucking ads they put everywhere even if you unchecked the 154 options in 42 different menus.

[-] funkycarrot@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 6 days ago

Wow, you just... described the problem we had on our Windows PCs that I never managed to describe

[-] Bogasse@lemmy.ml 61 points 1 week ago

Also, I don't get how people just accept that any input they perform will require an average of 1s for feedback.

But at least now I understand why macs are so popular...

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 28 points 1 week ago

This is the thing I hate most about windows. Did it register the thing I clicked? Is something happening? If I click again will it do the task twice? Complete opposite of how my Mac works.

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[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago

Software neutrality in the entire public sector should be a law. Leverage of proprietary software and media like professor published book scams are criminal extortion.

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My experience exactly. My current company is rolling out new W11 laptops as the old ones age out.

I'm consistently amazed at how poorly Windows 11 runs on these brand new, $1500 enterprise grade machines. They all have the latest Intel i7 chips, 16GB of DDR5 memory, Nvme 1TB drives, 1440p beautiful screens, and they perform like ass.

Constant lockups, stuttering, slow to wake up, slow to open programs, the fans constantly spin up super loud with almost nothing running in the foreground.

I see frequent GUI glitches and bugs, literally had the WiFi stop working on one yesterday, just wouldn't connect to anything and the tray app wouldn't pop up when clicked. Had to restart the whole computer and log in again to get it to connect.

Meanwhile, the 11 year old retired desktops that I repurposed for internal company resources like Open Project, Uptime Kuma, and Ansible are running plain old Debian with KDE Plasma and are rock solid. They never crash, never freeze up, are always super responsive, and are fast to update. The longest one of them has taken to update was maybe 3 minutes?

Windows on the other hand... Lets just say there's a reason I push updates at the end of the day.

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[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

You can control what programs open on boot in the task manager. Teams was one of the first things I disabled.

[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 42 points 1 week ago

That is, if the laptop isn't totally locked down by IT. But knowing school's IT budget that probably isn't the case.

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[-] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 29 points 1 week ago

Yeah no, the experience really is ass.
We use Lenovo IdeaPads at work, a model with an i7 and a Nvidia GPU, and Windows constantly chugs and has weird UI issues, even though the machines are not running heavy software and are on a pretty fresh install.

  • Sometimes when I wake the laptop from sleep, it sits and the lock screen showing my wallpaper and NOTHING else.
    Clicking, typing does nothing, I just have to sit there and wait like 2 minutes until it finally decides to show the input field and let me login again.

  • The Network/Sound/Battery tray flyout frequently stops responding. Only goes back to normal after restarting explorer.exe

  • The internal display has scaling while the external doesn't. So every time you drag a window across it "snags" in between them while the application flickers and struggles to switch the scaling.

  • Switching between virtual desktops is so sloooow, if you use a different wallpaper on each you can literally see Windows struggling to swap the wallpapers in time.
    It's impressive how a native OS feature feels like a third-party kludge.

Great work Microsoft.

[-] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 28 points 1 week ago

We have Linux workstations at work.....and these can only be used to access a remote desktop of a Windows 10 virtual machine. 👍

[-] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My boss told me to get a laptop and I'd be reimbursed, so I got a System76 with Fedora. "How are you going to use (company proprietary software that only works on Windows)?" I told him I could run it on wine (and I have). But he ended up assigning me a Windows 365 cloud, so now I have a very nice laptop that just works, and I only fire up the cloud crap if I really need to.

Suffice it to say that I'm the only upper management member that barely interacts with the IT department, I don't need to 🤣🤣

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