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[–] ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

This will blow back way harder on Israel than America.

Ignoring all politics, logistically this war is a rounding error in the Pentagon's budget. America can and often does absolutely anything it wants to anyone at any point in time - and the only thing stopping it is how it feels about a subject at any given moment.

Israel is tiny and surrounded by enemies who they are pissing off.

For the record I am entirely opposed to Israel committing genocide and America funding it.

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 months ago (1 children)

For the record I am entirely opposed to Israel committing genocide and America funding it.

What a weird and sad thing thing to have to specify.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Welcome to the internet, Have a look around

[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 months ago

I'm gonna go read a book. K thx bye.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 41 points 2 months ago (3 children)

and America funding it.

And absolutely gaslighting anyone who calls anyone out for it.

I'm really sick of the whole "criticism of Israel is antisemitism" rhetoric. NO IT ISN'T. And pushing this rhetoric harder isn't going to make me support them either. If anything, I'm going to see it as an increasing threat to my First Amendment right to free speech.

My criticism of the Chinese government is not hateful towards the Chinese Americans in my community. It's also not hateful towards the Chinese people living in China or anywhere else in the world. It's a criticism of the leadership, which is fair game. Ditto for criticism of Iran, Russia, or any other nation I can think of.

But criticize the Israeli government and suddenly it's a problem. There's less pushback for criticizing the U.S. government!

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm really sick of the whole "criticism of Israel is antisemitism" rhetoric.

It's just playing dirty. Israel, much like modern conservative politicians, doesn't care about how it achieves its goals. World War II has much of the western world hypersensitive to antisemitism, so conflating criticism of the Israeli government with antisemitism has been an easy way to stifle discourse.

[–] antiyank@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 month ago

Oh no you are a trump supporter /s

[–] IcePee@lemmy.beru.co -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Criticising Israel can be antisemitic. Just check out the IHRA definition of antisemitism . Basically you can't say that:

  • Israel is a racist endeavour
  • Comparing Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
  • Say that they use murder (especially of Christians) for ritual purposes.
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm not sure people realize how bad this is for long term American interests in the area. The Saudis and the Iranians are actually talking to each other again.

[–] Aqarius@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Through Beijing, in fact.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This will blow back way harder on Israel than America.

I dont think the US will walk away from this free of any consequences at all. The chickens will come home to roost. You dont kill that many people and leave that many affected victims and just saunter off into the sunset with no consequences whatsoever.

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

But I was told terrorists hate America because of their freedom. Are you saying it was really their foreign policy this whole time?

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The only real chance the US had to not get caught up in the quagmire would have been to unload a battalion or three of marines and go Hamas-hunting themselves, keeping an eye on the IDF. Make sure humanitarian aid arrives. Ignore the Israeli government where necessary (after all Gaza isn't Israel) in favour of re-iterating that you're Israel's friend and simply taking some load off their plate, make sure to work with Israeli lefties when it comes to pretty much everything humanitarian on the ground, or in media.

But that would've necessitated more wherewithal and understanding of Israel than the US could've ever hoped to muster.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 40 points 2 months ago (6 children)

North Americans, don't be shocked when the shit starts hitting your neighborhood, schools, homes, daycares, and hospitals.

Whether North Korea, or Venezuela, or Russia, etc, or a newly radicalized individual.

We have let the world know there are no rules and we are now fair game for any nation that feels like it.

And we have no right to complain when they do.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We've prepared ourselves with daily mass shootings for years

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 6 points 1 month ago

The only thing that stops a bad war trauma is a good civil trauma.

[–] LostMyRedditLogin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

9/11 happened because of US involvement with Israel. Bin Laden clearly listed his grievances with the US, which the media purposely ignored. I've been expecting another terrorist attack because we never learn. America has to do everything the hard way regarding foreign policy. Huge sigh.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

"They hate us for our freedoms" was such a ridiculously stupid thing for Bush to say, but people lapped it up and just assumed it was truth. Not the USA's most impressive moment.

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

We have let the world know there are no rules

Quite the opposite. The US is demonstrating that it is above any international law and will do what it wants regardless of any standing agreements. It's demonstrating that the only rules that matter are the ones it makes. Israel is our dog on our leash and we're letting it bite someone. But if anyone hurts our dog, we'll go full John Wick on their country. That's why Israel bombs schools and hospitals without warning and Iran gives a few days notice before they attack.

[–] Veneroso@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure the dog is walking the owner at this point.

[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

But if anyone touches our boats, we'll go full John Wick on their country.

Ftfy

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Yet you are two weeks away from electing a Russian intelligence asset.

[–] AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Heh, don't take my perspective as being supportive of it.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yep, sure does look like he's going to win.

Trump? Intelligence asset? I mean, i understand and agree, but knowing who you're talking about...

...what's going on in my brain...

Is this what cognitive dissonance feels like..?

[–] antiyank@lemmy.cafe -1 points 1 month ago

When 80% of americans support genocide, random terrorism become harm-reduction.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 2 months ago

What are they gonna do, send another set of jumbo jets into skyscrapers?

Or another orange idiot.

Or more republicans.

Good god we're fucked

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's already happening. People are shooting up Jewish schools and places of worship in response.

[–] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Theres far far far more anti muslim violence than anti jewish. ADL has been counting people saying mean things online as a spike in anti semitic violence. Words are not violence. Holding a sign objecting to Israeli actions are not violence. And objecting to Israel is not anti semitic.

[–] antiyank@lemmy.cafe 1 points 1 month ago

A bit more blood on the zionists hand

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Americans when they reap what they sow: 😦

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Will Linus ban Israeli maintainers now?

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Israel is the market leader in hacking and spying tools such as Pegasus. These are used for ethical purposes such as chopping journalists reporting negatively on Saudi Arabia in pieces. There is no reason to doubt their credibility.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago
[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Is Israel under US sanctions that would require him to do so?

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

He is not "required" to do anything, no request has been made that we know of.