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Just how useful is a forecast in a knife-edge election like this one, anyway? Even the insight that it could go either way is useful, Silver argues. “One potential advantage of having a forecast that says … it’s 50/50, is that people should be making their contingency plans, like, right away. It doesn’t mean you need [to stockpile] ammo and peanut butter” – that giggle again – “but it means, you know: what’s your strategy to protect American institutions in the event of a Trump second term? Or, in 2028 [or] 2032, a Trump-like Republican who maybe is more effective than Trump? If I were a liberal donor, for example, I would want to begin funding now … to protect institutions in that eventuality, instead of giving another $100,000 to Kamala Harris, who has more money than she needs.”

And while he fears a Trump win – “There were a lot of guardrails in place last time that prevented complete and utter disaster, but those guardrails have been weakened, right?” – he warns against painting it as an existential threat to democracy, at least as a political strategy. “The notion of basically holding voters hostage in that sense is very unappealing … Biden was like: ‘OK, sure, I may be running for president until I’m 86 and can barely form a complete sentence, but if you don’t vote for me, the country gets it’ – that’s a very unappealing message to swing voters … whereas Harris brings more joyfulness and is obviously a very talented woman”. He worries, though, that she has “retained too many of the Biden people who thought it was a good idea to keep running [him]. I guess she kind of had to.”

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[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 6 days ago

Friendly reminder for my trans bros and sisters, please get your passport squared away and start hoarding HRT in case shit hits the fan.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Come to California. We'll fight for you.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 4 points 6 days ago

Unless if you're homeless, you can go fuck yourself if you're unhoused.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

California spends more on its homeless than any other state. It's a huge part of our annual budget.

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

lol no you won’t

If things go that bad, no state is standing up to the power of the federal government.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

We do it all the time. We are right now telling the Federal Government that we refuse to prosecute illegal immigrants. Just a few decades ago we did it with gay marriage.

Im not taking the risk, I have to leave this country :c

[-] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago

Where are you going to go? It seems difficult to relocate to another country without dual citizenship

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 6 days ago

Tbh a country that in many ways is significantly worse, but they have free healthcare and a government too unstable to ban anything (also they have "right of return"). That country is Israel, I wish I had another option yet sadly it's my only option.

[-] argarath@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Israel is a much worse place for trans people, with a conservative government that is much more empowered than the USA and much more connected to religions that wasn't too annihilate trans people and queer people, who's going through their fascist faze and have been openly harassing minorities within their land and outside too. Don't go to Israel. If you want some time to get your things ready to leave for a country like Norway or Holland, California is much much better than pretty much any other state in the USA, you might not even need to leave the US by just staying in California tbh, but if you really want to leave the Nordic countries have been doing really well. France is being attacked by fascists RN but the people are fighting back fiercely and minimizing all the real damage, they are another good option. Switzerland seems to be another good option, but I don't know much about it, but I do have a gay friend that is moving there to live with his boyfriend and he is leaving the USA, so it seems like a good option too

I don't exactly have the time now for EU citizenship

[-] argarath@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

That's why I suggested going to California first, there you can have enough time to get yourself a citizenship for a country that is actually better for you

I can't afford to live in California, heck I can bearly afford to live where I currently live (New York)

[-] argarath@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

California is a huge state, there are cheaper areas to live in, and new York isn't in that much of a risk of suddenly prosecuting queer people, even in a trump government. California is safer, yes, but New York isn't the boonies of Florida or Texas. If you don't mind, what are you afraid of in new york that you think you'll be safer in Israel of all places?

Trump using the executive branch to ban HRT

[-] harmsy@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

That seems like an "Out of the frying pan and into the fire" type of situation.

Pretty much, better then the alternative of dying tho (not by much)

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 days ago

Can you come to Canada as a refugee from a regime that will oppress you[1]? We have a separate track for that and it's (supposed to be, if you believe the rabid babbling from our hillbilly kings) much easier and faster.

  1. yeah, either one.

LOL.

"Guy on book tour says something clickable!"

Who cares.

[-] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 days ago

Contingency plans. Yeah. Sure. I don't think there are any that most of us can make. There aren't any countries I could move to that would be any better I don't think. I'm too old, I don't have degrees, my only job qualifications aren't particularly in demand because the training for them is fast, and the only family connection to citizenship elsewhere I had is insufficient because it's too many generations removed from me.

I suspect the cast majority of people who would be even worse off than me under another Trump/Republican administration are in just as bad if not worse a position.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

As a green card holder I do have the option of going "home" - except I own a house, have a wife, friends, a job, a car, a phone - all with payments still left on them (especially the wife waka waka waka) - obviously I'll leave if I'm literally in danger, but if I'm not and it's just that I don't like the president and it negatively affects geopolitics somewhat, on a personal level, leaving the country would be disastrous for me.

[-] argarath@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

I know this is a bit away from the subject, but how difficult was it to get your green card? I have a boyfriend in the USA and we're planning to move in together in the near-ish future but I'm anxious about the process of getting a green card

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago

H1B hire from a ways back. If you can get it in under 6 years, you're really ahead of the curve. Anticipate lawyer fees and some delay, as a pro who knows the process and a long wait were definitely part of our experience.

[-] argarath@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Thank you! I read that it takes time and is full of layer stuff, but I just didn't know how true the things I've read up were (I've read one person say it took them 7 months from getting married to getting their green card just as an example of how those websites all you their guides for getting a green card)

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago

Fiance visa took about 10-11 months for entry to the country, then converting it to a 2 year green card took roughly 7 months, then when I renewed it they changed it to a 10-year one.

I think it's different with every type of visa though.

[-] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 6 points 6 days ago

At least go and buy a gun, so when we inevitably hunt for billionaires to cannibalize together, you can at least contribute something, for fuck sake.

[-] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago

You can't escape America's influence and policy no matter where you go.

[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago
[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 15 points 6 days ago

Protege of Peter Thiel. Let that sink in.

[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago

Show your work. And if it’s just Silver now works at something Thiel funds, don’t bother and rethink your life instead.

[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 1 points 5 days ago

This right here is the definition of cognitive dissonance. STFU.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

That's for the people who have the means.

[-] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 2 points 6 days ago

I’m fucking broke. Can’t afford to move. Can barely afford rent. I get to deal with it as best I can.

[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 107 points 1 week ago

That somebody like Trump has a chance in hell of winning the election again is kind of proof enough that this country is already lost.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 56 points 1 week ago

Nate Silver isn't worth listening to.

That being said, I have my contingency plans laid out.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 83 points 1 week ago

There's also this:

instead of giving another $100,000 to Kamala Harris, who has more money than she needs.

Nate Silver knows how elections work. He knows there is no such thing as more money than you need in a presidential campaign. That's an astoundingly dishonest thing to say from someone like him.

[-] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'll never trust that degenerate grifter anyways. When I heard he was so cocksure of his stats knowledge that he ~~lost~~ spent 10k a day on gambling, that's all I needed to never listen to him again.

At the end of the day, his prognostications are a very expensive coin flip.

Edit: see the strikethrough above.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago

Silver is using poll numbers from before the debate. It's not worthless, but it's outdated information.

But I want Democrats feeling the pressure and vote like Democracy depends on it, so I'm happy if he keeps fluffing that pillow.

[-] Webster@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

His model actually accounts for whether polls were taken before or after an event, and raises and lowers their impact and error margin based on that. Right up to the debate, his model was giving Kamala a <30% chance and it's only the inclusion of new polls since the debate that have moved her to 50%.

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